Damage dice for huge great sword


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What is the damage dice for someone Enlarged, using a great sword, that has casted Lead Blades on himself?

Great Sword is 2D6
Enlarged brings it up to 3D6. (Large size)
Lead Blades would increase the damage dice up one size to Huge.

Weapon damage chart does not go up that high.


http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/enlargePerson.html#_enlarge-perso n

"Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack."

Still 3d6

Shadow Lodge

Prok wrote:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/enlargePerson.html#_enlarge-perso n

"Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack."

Still 3d6

Those 2 effects do stack. Only one of those (enlarge person) is actually changing the size of anything. Lead blades deals damage "as if one size category larger" but doesn't actually increase the size of the weapon.

So, the answer would be 4d6. Once you reach 3 dice of damage you just start adding dice.


anthonydido wrote:
Prok wrote:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/spells/enlargePerson.html#_enlarge-perso n

"Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack."

Still 3d6

Those 2 effects do stack. Only one of those (enlarge person) is actually changing the size of anything. Lead blades deals damage "as if one size category larger" but doesn't actually increase the size of the weapon.

So, the answer would be 4d6. Once you reach 3 dice of damage you just start adding dice.

This.

Sczarni

1d2 => 1d3 => 1d4 => 1d6 => 1d8 => 2d6 => 3d6 => 4d6 => 6d6 => 8d6 => 12d6 => 16d6 => 24d6

Damage dice roughly doubles every other size increase, whether natural or manufactured. Exceptions exist.

Shadow Lodge

Nefreet wrote:

1d2 => 1d3 => 1d4 => 1d6 => 1d8 => 2d6 => 3d6 => 4d6 => 6d6 => 8d6 => 12d6 => 16d6 => 24d6

Damage dice roughly doubles every other size increase, whether natural or manufactured. Exceptions exist.

To my knowledge, this is incorrect. Once you reach 3d6 you just add a d6 each time if the damage due to size increases. Although I am unable to find anything in the rules that covers this.

Sczarni

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That is incorrect.

A casual glance at the damage dice table in the CRB shows that damage roughly doubles every other step, an idea which is reinforced with the Improved Natural Attack feat chart, and again via the spell Strong Jaw, and still yet again by examples listed in the Bestiaries (like this one).


anthonydido wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

1d2 => 1d3 => 1d4 => 1d6 => 1d8 => 2d6 => 3d6 => 4d6 => 6d6 => 8d6 => 12d6 => 16d6 => 24d6

Damage dice roughly doubles every other size increase, whether natural or manufactured. Exceptions exist.

To my knowledge, this is incorrect. Once you reach 3d6 you just add a d6 each time if the damage due to size increases. Although I am unable to find anything in the rules that covers this.

Actually he's right. They didn't keep the entire table intact when they created pathfinder. You can see the entire table on the 3.5 SRD.

D20SRD Weapons

Shadow Lodge

Ah, ok. I didn't play much 3.5 so I only have the Pathfinder weapon size table to go by which doesn't cover past 3d6.

Liberty's Edge

The real question is: how much money do you get for selling a huge greatsword?

Liberty's Edge

anthonydido wrote:

Ah, ok. I didn't play much 3.5 so I only have the Pathfinder weapon size table to go by which doesn't cover past 3d6.

Yeah, this is frustrating.

Shadow Lodge

HangarFlying wrote:
The real question is: how much money do you get for selling a huge greatsword?

Well, since large weapons cost twice as much as small/medium weapons I would assume huge weapons cost twice as much as large ones. Which would make its cost 200gp which would then sell for half.

Liberty's Edge

It certainly seems reasonable, but it would be nice to have official answers for all this.


Joe Shmoe is carrying a Greatsword that deals 2d6 points of damage and casts enlarge person. Increasing his weapon and his size by one size category. Joe then casts Lead Blades to increase his weapon damage by "increasing the momentum and density of your melee weapons when he strikes a foe."

The rules for size bonus' are as follows:

"In addition, other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell."

Lead Blades:

"Lead blades increases the momentum and density of your melee weapons just as they strike a foe. All melee weapons you are carrying when the spell is cast deal damage as if one size category larger than they actually are. For instance, a Medium longsword normally deals 1d8 points of damage, but it would instead deal 2d6 points of damage if benefiting from lead blades. Only you can benefit from this spell. If anyone else uses one of your weapons to make an attack it deals damage as normal for its size."

All that this spell does is increase the "Momentum and density" it doesn't effect the size. If it increased the size of the weapon for example it would impose a -2 penalty to attack rolls. By the way the spell is written the rules allow it.

Sczarni

Enlarge Person and Lead Blades work perfectly fine together. One increases the weapon's actual size, while the other increases its damage as if it was one size category larger than it actually is.

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