I think this works? I was trying to find ways to get some of the better things from beast shape 4. Is there anything stopping me from turning my familiar into a dragon with dragon 3, and then symbiosis to get it myself without myself turning into a dragon?
While the familiar is melded, its body becomes part of the synergist’s and can’t be targeted or affected by any means (including ongoing effects)
The familiar is no longer affected by polymorph while melded.
While the familiar is melded, its body becomes part of the synergist’s and can’t be targeted or affected by any means (including ongoing effects)The familiar is no longer affected by polymorph while melded.
hmmm I disagree. It says targeted or affected. The ongoing affects is like Burn, or poison, something that each round has to "affect you." It does not say spell effects end or turn off. You are already affected by the polymorph, no need to be affected again by it.
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hmmm I disagree. It says targeted or affected. The ongoing affects is like Burn, or poison, something that each round has to "affect you." It does not say spell effects end or turn off. You are already affected by the polymorph, no need to be affected again by it.While the familiar is melded, its body becomes part of the synergist’s and can’t be targeted or affected by any means (including ongoing effects)The familiar is no longer affected by polymorph while melded.
Symbiosis (Su): At 1st level, a synergist gains the ability to meld or unmeld with her familiar as a standard action. While the familiar is melded, its body becomes part of the synergist’s and can’t be targeted or affected by any means (including ongoing effects), though the familiar can still communicate its feelings empathically. The symbiosis causes the synergist to adopt some basic physical features of the familiar and grants additional abilities based on the synergist’s level.
hmmm I disagree. It says targeted or affected. The ongoing affects is like Burn, or poison, something that each round has to "affect you." It does not say spell effects end or turn off. You are already affected by the polymorph, no need to be affected again by it.While the familiar is melded, its body becomes part of the synergist’s and can’t be targeted or affected by any means (including ongoing effects)The familiar is no longer affected by polymorph while melded.Symbiosis (Su): At 1st level, a synergist gains the ability to meld or unmeld with her familiar as a standard action. While the familiar is melded, its body becomes part of the synergist’s and can’t be targeted or affected by any means (including ongoing effects), though the familiar can still communicate its feelings empathically. The symbiosis causes the synergist to adopt some basic physical features of the familiar and grants additional abilities based on the synergist’s level.
yeah i read that. It says "cant be affected" but you're already affected. its not doing something more to you each round. This clause is so that you can save your familiar from bleeding or burning that continuously try to "affect" you. A polymorph spell doesnt continually try to "affect" you. it tries once, when you cast it.
I repeat: including ongoing effects. Being polimorphed is an ongoing effect. You can dislike it, but that is how it works.
i repeat, yes its an ongoing affect, but it does need to "affect" you anymore. its not that kind of spell. You are affected at the time of casting, after that it doesnt continuously try to "Affect" you with anything. You are affected already. has nothing to do with liking your answer, i just disagree with it.
An arcane lock spell cast upon a door, chest, or portal magically locks it. You can freely pass your own arcane lock without affecting it. If the locked object has a lock, the DC to open that lock increases by 10 while it remains attached to the object. If the object does not have a lock, this spell creates one that can only be opened with a DC 20 Disable Device skill check. A door or object secured with this spell can be opened only by breaking in or with a successful dispel magic or knock spell. Add 10 to the normal DC to break open a door or portal affected by this spell. A knock spell does not remove an arcane lock; it only suppresses the effect for 10 minutes.
Arcane Lock does not do something per round, but it is clear that If you cast it on a door, then the door is considered as affected by the ongoing effect of Arcane Lock even after the spellcasting.
this is a great example, and I understand where you are coming from, but i still see a big difference between "is affected" and "being affected." I agree the door "is affected" by the spell, just like when you polymorph you "are affected" but the sentence is talking about being "being targeted or affected by a spell" which I strictly read as something changing, adding, affecting beyond what it already has. I think if it really dispelled all spells and shut them off, i think it would explicitly say so, i think the nature of the sentence is saying "no new things or changes" not "no existing things or changes."
in my poison example, I think if you already failed 1 round of poison, your negative stats would stay when you merged, but round 2 would never happen because it cant affect you anymore, but the negative stat already affected you and would stay.