Extracts, Broad Study, and Spell Combat / Strike?


Rules Questions


Does Broad Study

AoN wrote:
The magus selects another one of his spellcasting classes. The magus can use his spellstrike and spell combat abilities while casting or using spells from the spell list of that class. This does not allow him to cast arcane spells from that class's spell list without suffering the normal chances of arcane spell failure, unless the spell lacks somatic components. The magus must be at least 6th level and must possess levels in at least one other spellcasting class before selecting this arcana.

Allow a Magus to Spell Combat and Spellstrike with an Alchemists Extracts?


To my knowledge, alchemists do not cast spells. They 'cast' spells by mixing up an extract. Their alchemy ability is not spell casting. I believe they can take an ability called Spell Discovery that would function as them casting a spell (but that would be a sor/wiz spell and not an alchemist extract/formula).

Liberty's Edge

FAQs wrote:

Alchemist: Is an alchemist a spellcaster for the purpose of crafting magic items other than potions?

As written, no, alchemists are not spellcasters, and therefore can't select feats such as Craft Wondrous Item.
The design team is aware that this creates some thematic problems with the idea of an alchemist creating golems and so on, and plan to examine this in the future.

The question was bout making magic items, but the reply is broader. Alchemists aren't spellcasters.

AoN wrote:

Spell Knowledge (Cohorts and Companions pg. 13): Your studies into how all things are interconnected have taught you to cast a very limited number of spells. Select a single spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list that is at least 2 levels lower than your highest-level extract known. You can prepare and cast this spell as an arcane spell. Preparing the spell uses up an extract slot 1 level higher than the spell’s level. Your caster level is equal to your alchemist level, and your save DCs and concentration checks are Intelligence-based. You’re considered to have this spell on your spell list for purposes of prerequisites, spell completion items, and spell trigger items.

You may select this discovery more than once. Each time, it grants you access to another spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list.

The alchemist learn to cast a single spell every time he takes the discovery, but his class never becomes a spellcastingclass.

I don't think that, even with the discovery, an alchemist will ever be able to use Broad Study.


Alchemist is not a spellcasting class.
see other post for supporting RAW.


Other than bombs all the alchemist alchemy items only affect the alchemist. Spell strike can only be used with a spell with a range of touch. An alchemist’s extracts always affect the alchemist drinking it so never have a range of touch even if the spell normally does. That prevents using extracts with spell strike.

An alchemist can create three special types of magical items—extracts, bombs, and mutagens. Bombs are explosive splash weapons, and mutagens are transformative elixirs that the alchemist drinks to enhance his physical abilities—both of these are detailed in their own sections below.

The section from the APG also defines the alchemist's extracts, bombs and mutagens as magic items. That makes it clear that an alchemist is not a spell caster.

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