Dogtooth tengu thaumaturge and the weapon implement.


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion

Exo-Guardians

Should dogtooth tengue use the beak attack as her weapon implement?
The rule reads, "You can choose only a one-handed weapon as an implement, which allows you to channel energies into your weapon as well as hold your other implements once you gain them." The beak is a one handed attack so as it's written it should work.
Thoughts.
Thanks.


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An unarmed attack isn’t a weapon.

Talk to your GM about getting a houserule exception. But the rules say that it doesn't work.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Natural attacks are not weapons, and so can never be selected as a weapon implement (short of changing the rules with a house rule).


As the other say, it's not really supported, and I believe it's because implement are partially balanced by the fact that you can only wield 2 of them at any given moment, but you could hold all 3 at once if your weapon implement don't use your hands (or two implement and another held item). Appart from that specific case, I don't think having a natural weapon as a weapon implement increase the thaumaturge power at all, it make it so it's a weapon implement that can't be disarmed, but the fact that it can't be disarmed is already "baked in" the natural weapon power budget itself I believe.

So honestly, I'd allow it if the natural weapon is literally your hand and doesn't "count" as a weapon implement if you're holding something with it (basically making it so you effectively "swap" your weapon implement with whatever you're holding in that hand), if your character have only one arm (making it so it can have two implement as other thaumaturge with the natural one playing the role of the weapon implement), or if you rule that your character is a bit clumsy and can't use it's natural weapon as implement if they are also holding two different object (that they can't wield alongside implements) in their hands.

Or if I'm in a group that don't care that much about balance. It's a power increase for sure, but it's not that dramatic.

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