Starfinder Grenades - Thrown Weapon or Ranged Attacks?


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The rules seems vaguely confusing, which is it?
* Thrown weapons or Ranged Attacks?
* Attack rolls use Strength or Dexterity ?
* DCs apply users STR or DEX bonuses?

This came up last session and we couldn't find a "RAW" answer ...

The CRB first lumps grenades into "thrown weapons", suggesting STR is used to calculated attack rolls (to hit) and grenade DCs.

Later, it corrects itself and clarifies ( crb 240-241) they (Grenades) are ranged attacks and use Dexterity to "to hit" but not damage.

Then it clarifies (crb 242 - 243) that grenades are "single use" "ranged weapons" and that their "save DC" explicitly uses "Dexterity" not Strength.

My understanding: It should be simple and accurate to state the following;
1. grenades are single use, disposable consumables
2. attacks with grenades are "ranged weapon" attacks
3. thus, they use "BaB + Dexterity" for attack rolls and do not apply any stat bonus to damage rolls.
4. and, as clarified under weapon specialization directly, they do not benefit from specialization feats.
5. however, they are are valid weapon category type, so will benefit from "Weapon Focus" or "Versatile Weapon Focus"
6. They only target a grid location, requiring hitting AC:5 plus any range modifiers
7. if they miss, we use the "grenade miss" rules to determine what direction and how far.
8. Save DCs are "10 + 1/2 item level + Dexterity modifier" (not STR based)
9. failure to save applies the listed "critical hit effect"

Are these (9) assumptions correct? am I missing some errata or other relevant correction ??

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Are you asking for 1st edition? It seems like it. Please make sure to state that next time, as 2e is the current Starfinder edition. ;)

In this case, yes, your assumptions are correct.

Just to make sure: Weapon Focus only benefits the attack roll vs. 5 (plus cover). Grenade Mastery would benefit the DC.


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Don't forget that there are two grenade launchers in the core book along with a reusable shell that makes thrown grenades daily use like wands.


The Dragon Reborn wrote:

Don't forget that there are two grenade launchers in the core book along with a reusable shell that makes thrown grenades daily use like wands.

Wait, for 1E? What launchers?

Rotfell wrote:
Are you asking for 1st edition? It seems like it. Please make sure to state that next time, as 2e is the current Starfinder edition. ;)

I truly sad that the two editions were not fully seperated. It makes searching really convluted sometimes compared to Pathfidner 1 and 2.


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Zwordsman wrote:
The Dragon Reborn wrote:

Don't forget that there are two grenade launchers in the core book along with a reusable shell that makes thrown grenades daily use like wands.

Wait, for 1E? What launchers?

Rotfell wrote:
Are you asking for 1st edition? It seems like it. Please make sure to state that next time, as 2e is the current Starfinder edition. ;)

I truly sad that the two editions were not fully seperated. It makes searching really convluted sometimes compared to Pathfidner 1 and 2.

There are the NIL grenade launchers in the 1e main rule book and an under barrel launcher weapon adjustment in the 1e Armoury book.

The reusable shell that makes grenades daily us is 2e only (and also only covers the commercial, tactical and advanced grenades).

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