Is there a reason that Orc is the only Common ancestry from Pathfinder Player Core to not have a Boon? Seems strange that you can play a Leshy in Starfinder before an Orc.
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Great idea!
I put a request for Orc Ancestry in the official Starfinder Boon Request thread. I figure that the devs will be more likely to notice it there.
Hmm
As I recall Leshys don’t have any flavor in Starfinder so why would we need to wait for reflqvorimg for Orcs? Just an odd choice to leave them out.
And where are Leshys from in Starfinder? They’re allowing an ancestry that comes from no where in Starfinder and not one that does have connections in Starfinder. I’d be okay with story reasons for waiting if they also applied that for Leshys.
If they were mentioned in SF1 I’m not finding it. They also aren’t showing up in archives of nethys.
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We may have not had leshies in SF1, but we had Raxillites (which I believe were written by the uber-leshy herself, Linda Zayas-Palmer.) I support having our leshy friends in Starfinder.
I don’t have a problem with Leshys being in Starfinder. I have problem with them being included when Orcs are not.
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The original legacy species in the Strfinder 1e core rule book are
Dwarf
Elf
Gnome
Half-Elf
Halfling
Half-orc
Full Orcs were not playable until the 5th book in SF1e
SF2e boons for playable legacy ancestries dropped both half-ancestries; looks like PF2e doesn't even have options for Half-Elf, Half-orc as separate ancestries. SF2e Half-Elf, Half-orc were replaced with goblins and Leshy
Space goblins were WAY more common in SF1e than Orcs were, but were never playable in organized play, so very excited to have them now. I just bought the Goblin ancestry boon today for a character I started building 2 years ago. Unbreakable Goblin makes for great reckless pilots who crash a lot.
I think Leshy makes a great ancestry to have early in the SF2e release. Leshy has some of the most diverse and numerous heritages of any ancestry, which is useful for making Leshy from different planets. I still hope to get Raxillites back someday. I'd love to play in a party with a group of Raxillites using LFAN Symbiosis large weapons.
Orcs in Starfinder are mostly from Apostae, which is likely getting some lore update in SF2e, so it makes sense to get orcs back after that happens. It also looks like SF2e might have a trend of having ancestors introduced in related adventures. Shobhads fill some of the roles Orcs do, both having ferocity, while Shobhads are from a planet central to the first session of SFS2
Sf2e already has more ancestries than I had characters in SF1e, so not concerned about the number of playable species less than a month into the release of the game; more will come. There's also an upcoming ancestry book that has been announced. We don't know when it's coming out yet, but it sounded like it will have legacy ancestries from both SF1e and PF2e and completely new ancestries, too.
Well if we need to wait for lore updates to play an ancestry then Leshys should not be allowed in Society.
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Well if we need to wait for lore updates to play an ancestry then Leshys should not be allowed in Society.
Leshy don't have a lore problem. Have you read the orc lore in SF1e?
"Orcs are rare, although records suggest they were numerous on lost Golarion. Today, they can be found in greatest numbers on Apostae, where most are drow-held slaves." Does that sound like the orc you wanted to play?
Since drow have been removed from PF2e remaster and SF2e, something will have to change in Orc and Apostae lore since it's tied to drow and being slaves, or at least move it forward. The upcoming ancestry book seems like a good place to update that. Maybe there will be a drow replacement in that book, too.
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Easy. We will welcome our Orc brethren soon enough. I know it's hard to wait for an ancestry you love -- I felt the same way when gnomes weren't available at the launch of SF1 Organized Play. But I'm sure the Orcs are coming. They have to be, given the ORC license! Paizo will not abandon them for long.
Can we find you another ancestry to rock with for your first character? Or for your -2702, since you may want to reserve your -2701 for your Orc, the way I reserved my -701 for my gnome, Charli.
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SF2e boons for playable legacy ancestries dropped both half-ancestries; looks like PF2e doesn't even have options for Half-Elf, Half-orc as separate ancestries. SF2e Half-Elf, Half-orc were replaced with goblins and Leshy
Half-elf and half-orc are now the aiuvaran and dromaar versatile heritages, respectively, in Remastered PF2. So far, SF2 only has two versatile heritages (borai and prismeni) in order to showcase options unique to the SF setting, but I'm sure others will be (re)introduced in due time. Characters who would now be nephilim, geniekin, etc., in PF2 terms have long been part of the SF1 canon.
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Leshies are light on lore but easy to explain. Orcs have lore that is acrively being rewritten. That's not remotely the same thing.
The Drow have ceome Azrinaran Elves, also known as "Void Elves," by the way.
Thanks, I just searched the Galaxy Guide for Azrinaran Elves, so it does look like Apostae and Drow got their update. Interesting what the void in void elf is for. Now to find the Orcs...
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Easy. We will welcome our Orc brethren soon enough. I know it's hard to wait for an ancestry you love -- I felt the same way when gnomes weren't available at the launch of SF1 Organized Play. But I'm sure the Orcs are coming. They have to be, given the ORC license! Paizo will not abandon them for long.
Can we find you another ancestry to rock with for your first character? Or for your -2702, since you may want to reserve your -2701 for your Orc, the way I reserved my -701 for my gnome, Charli.
Hmm
I agree, I can't imagine with the Orc license, Paizo not doing something cool with Orcs in SF2e. One advantage of having to wait for an Orc ancestry instead of having it just be a boon is that you won't have to spend ACP to play an Orc when they do come out.
I wonder if Orcs will play an important role in the Vesk Azlanti war or some other conflict in SF2e. That would be a great way to have SF2e Orcs live up to the fighting spirit of the Orc license. Since Orcs are not mentioned at all in the Galaxy Guide in relation to Apostae, or anywhere else in the Pact Worlds, I wonder if Orcs will get their own homeworld.
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SF2e boons for playable legacy ancestries dropped both half-ancestries; looks like PF2e doesn't even have options for Half-Elf, Half-orc as separate ancestries. SF2e Half-Elf, Half-orc were replaced with goblins and LeshyHalf-elf and half-orc are now the aiuvaran and dromaar versatile heritages, respectively, in Remastered PF2. So far, SF2 only has two versatile heritages (borai and prismeni) in order to showcase options unique to the SF setting, but I'm sure others will be (re)introduced in due time. Characters who would now be nephilim, geniekin, etc., in PF2 terms have long been part of the SF1 canon.
The local PFS2 group here disappeared right before the remaster came out. Luckily, a new group formed recently, so just getting caught up on PF2e changes. I was thinking the remaster made mixing any two ancestries an option instead of having separate ancestries for each combination, but it looks like that's just an option for home games. I need to dig up a remaster term conversion list.
Well it doesn’t seem to be for a lore reason. Received my GM Core PDF and Orcs have same lore as before.
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Well it doesn’t seem to be for a lore reason. Received my GM Core PDF and Orcs have same lore as before.
I'm surprised that Paizo at minimum, didn't at least move the lore forward, having the Orc slaves freed somehow. But on the other hand, that leaves room for there to be an Orc rebellion adventure or AP.
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Well it doesn’t seem to be for a lore reason. Received my GM Core PDF and Orcs have same lore as before.I'm surprised that Paizo at minimum, didn't at least move the lore forward, having the Orc slaves freed somehow. But on the other hand, that leaves room for there to be an Orc rebellion adventure or AP.
I can see it. A group (PC's) find something in a deep cavern in Apostae that sets off a chain of events that leads to a revolution. The PC's then have to both fend off the <insert new drow name here> AND the dangers they unleashed from below.
Why are the PC's down there? Either the Starfinders sent them, they're working with an Orc dissident, or a shady arms dealer looking for something new to sell.