Ethereal Plane and Familiar Conduit

[shroudb]

That's more of a theoretical question, but what's your take on those 2 interaction.

If you're on the Ethereal plane, say using Ethereal Jaunt or something, you can see in the material (albeit with concealment) and even use your spells, but only Force Effects affect each other plane.

But if you're using Familiar Conduit, the point of origin of the spell is not you, but the familiar, which can be in the material.

So, what's your take?
1. You can use all spells normall through the familiar
2. You still can only use Force effects through the familiar
3. You cannot use Familiar Conduit while you are on the ethereal and your familiar is on the material.

[NorrKnekten]

If I remember correctly, James Jacob stated that the interaction between force effects and the Ethereal is that creatures on the ethereal plane can be affected by force from the material, but the opposite isn't true. Force Spells still need to originate from the material plane to affect creatures on the material plane. Which also seems to be the case with Ethereal Jaunt. So even if you had Force Barrage you would need a method to send it into the Material Plane before it has any effect.

However, If the spell would be originating from your Familiar then it would most likely would be able to affect targets as normal. I don't think line of effect changes just because you are in another transitive plane, Nor do I think it would use the familiars position within the Ethereal as the point of origin when the familiar is on the material plane.

I'm gonna have to say 1.

[Baarogue]

Unless there's an updated version of the spell under a different name that's not cross-linked on AoN, etherial jaunt just says you cannot affect the Material Plane; not even with force effects

legacy etherial jaunt, CR p.336 wrote:

You can't affect the Material Plane, and you can't be affected by the Material Plane except by force effects and abjurations originating there.

So I'm with option 3 unless someone can point me to a source indicating that the spell's restrictions have changed under a different name or that Familiar Conduit is an exception to the "can't affect" restriction

[Finoan]

I think the point is that the familiar is left on the Material plane while the spellcaster is on the Ethereal plane. So with the familiar being the source of the spell, it could affect other things on the Material plane just fine.

The difficulty is being able to use Familiar Conduit while across the planar boundary. Familiar Conduit does have:

Familar Conduit wrote:

Requirements: You have line of effect to your familiar.

If you aren't able to affect anything on the Material Plane from the Ethereal plane, then you don't have line of effect to your familiar.

[NorrKnekten]

Finoan wrote:

I think the point is that the familiar is left on the Material plane while the spellcaster is on the Ethereal plane. So with the familiar being the source of the spell, it could affect other things on the Material plane just fine.

The difficulty is being able to use Familiar Conduit while across the planar boundary. Familiar Conduit does have:

Familar Conduit wrote:

Requirements: You have line of effect to your familiar.

If you aren't able to affect anything on the Material Plane from the Ethereal plane, then you don't have line of effect to your familiar.

I wanted to say 3, but at the same time you can have line of effect between Material -> Ethereal. But after a nights thought I think you might be right in that Line of Effect is broken unless otherwise stated.