I have a question about the way this works. I do understand that if the character is a level 2 monk (scaled fist)/2 war priest (sacred fist), the AC bonus stacks to be equal to level 4. At this level, I think, they would get the +1 bonus from the AC Bonus ability.
However, a monk has a +1 bonus (untyped) at this level and the war priest has a +1 dodge bonus. Would the player then get both of those to their AC?
Levels wouldn't stack in any way. Neither class mentions stacking with similar abilities.
But the AC bonuses would stack since one is base on Cha and the other Wis. You would use the class levels independently to determine what increases to AC you would get.
No, it does not work that way. When you multiclass class abilities from the two classes do not directly stack unless they specifically state they do. Now the bonuses themselves may stack. Both untyped and dodge bonuses stack with nearly everything. But there is a rule that stats you bonuses from the same stat do not stack. So, you do not get to add twice your WIS bonus to AC even though both classes allow you to add your WIS bonus to AC.
So, you get neither bonus until one you are 4th level in one of those classes.
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Mysterious Stranger wrote: ... So, you do not get to add twice your WIS bonus to AC even though both classes allow you to add your WIS bonus to AC.
So, you get neither bonus until one you are 4th level in one of those classes.
Quick correction here: these two specific archetypes would stack their ability scores to AC because scaled fist adds CHA and sacred fist adds WIS. Other monks would be WIS based and not double dip WIS, as stated above.
Also:
Sacred Fist wrote:
AC Bonus (Su): A deity protects her sacred fist as long as he is unarmored and unencumbered. A sacred fist adds his Wisdom modifier (minimum 0) to his AC and his CMD. In addition, a sacred fist gains a +1 dodge bonus to AC and CMD at 4th level. This bonus increases by 1 for every 4 levels thereafter (to a maximum of +5 at 20th level).
These bonuses to AC apply even against touch attacks or when the sacred fist is flat-footed. He loses these bonuses when he is immobilized or helpless, when he wears any armor, when he carries a shield, or when he carries a medium or heavy load. This counts as the monk ability of the same name, and the sacred fist’s warpriest levels stack with monk levels for determining the benefits.
So yes 4th level for AC bonus with the 2/2 multiclass. Call it dodge or untyped, because it won't make any difference really; as a GM, I would go with whichever class you plan to have more levels.
I grok do u wrote: Mysterious Stranger wrote: ... So, you do not get to add twice your WIS bonus to AC even though both classes allow you to add your WIS bonus to AC.
So, you get neither bonus until one you are 4th level in one of those classes.
Quick correction here: these two specific archetypes would stack their ability scores to AC because scaled fist adds CHA and sacred fist adds WIS. Other monks would be WIS based and not double dip WIS, as stated above.
Also:
Sacred Fist wrote:
AC Bonus (Su): A deity protects her sacred fist as long as he is unarmored and unencumbered. A sacred fist adds his Wisdom modifier (minimum 0) to his AC and his CMD. In addition, a sacred fist gains a +1 dodge bonus to AC and CMD at 4th level. This bonus increases by 1 for every 4 levels thereafter (to a maximum of +5 at 20th level).
These bonuses to AC apply even against touch attacks or when the sacred fist is flat-footed. He loses these bonuses when he is immobilized or helpless, when he wears any armor, when he carries a shield, or when he carries a medium or heavy load. This counts as the monk ability of the same name, and the sacred fist’s warpriest levels stack with monk levels for determining the benefits.
So yes 4th level for AC bonus with the 2/2 multiclass. Call it dodge or untyped, because it won't make any difference really; as a GM, I would go with whichever class you plan to have more levels. The first part is not in debate truly. The line you have in bold is what comes into question. With the stacking of levels that would be 4th level for benefit, would that apply to monk and warpriest or just the warpriest class?
I ask because if it was 4th level for benefits from both classes that would be a +1 untyped monk bonus and a +1 dodge bonus to AC every 4 levels.
I did not read the full description of the sacred fist and admit I was wrong.
The wording of the ability says the sacred fist levels stack with monk levels. The monk on the other hand has no such wording. That mean you add your level of sacred fist to you monk level to determine your monk level for the ability. Since you are going off the monk level the bonus is an untyped bonus.
Your sacred fist level never increases, so never grants a bonus.
ashuramarsh wrote:
The first part is not in debate truly. The line you have in bold is what comes into question. With the stacking of levels that would be 4th level for benefit, would that apply to monk and warpriest or just the warpriest class?
I ask because if it was 4th level for benefits from both classes that would be a +1 untyped monk bonus and a +1 dodge bonus to AC every 4 levels.
That first part was just reaffirming, then. :)
I think I see your confusion, as stacking is a generalized word for both adding abilities together (like the CHA and WIS) and for combining class levels together for a specific feature. The bolded line is definitely the latter, so you just add the levels together once to determine the AC bonus. 4 levels of monk equivalent.
Mysterious Stranger has excellent reasoning for going with the untyped monk bonus in the follow-up post.
The other reason for going with the monk untyped bonus is... the word "dodge" in the Sacred Fist ability is probably an error.
In the original printing of ACG the sacred fist level-based AC bonus was a deflection bonus and it didn't have the "stacks with monk abilty" language. Second printing added "stacks with monk." OK, they needed to change the bonus type from deflection to make it clear that they stacked but for some reason changed the bonus type to dodge instead of untyped.
And there's no reason why it should be a dodge bonus. The Sacred Fist is explicit that the entire bonus, including the additional bonuses from higher levels, applies when flat-footed. Just like the monk. But you lose dodge bonuses when flat-footed. Why should this be the one dodge bonus that breaks that rule?
Thank you all. Food for thought. I will pass it along to the DM.
This is not my character, the DM is still new and since I am the one usually DMing, he looks to me to help with some of the rules. This one confused my a little so, sought out information.
You would not get both your CHA and WIS bonus because you cannot gain a bonus from the same source twice. Since the sacred fist specifically states it stacks with the monk ability you cannot gain the bonus from both of them. You are not using the sacred fist class ability you are using the monk class ability so all aspects of the ability would follow the monk ability including the stat bonus.
Belafon wrote: The other reason for going with the monk untyped bonus is... the word "dodge" in the Sacred Fist ability is probably an error.
In the original printing of ACG the sacred fist level-based AC bonus was a deflection bonus and it didn't have the "stacks with monk abilty" language. Second printing added "stacks with monk." OK, they needed to change the bonus type from deflection to make it clear that they stacked but for some reason changed the bonus type to dodge instead of untyped.
And there's no reason why it should be a dodge bonus. The Sacred Fist is explicit that the entire bonus, including the additional bonuses from higher levels, applies when flat-footed. Just like the monk. But you lose dodge bonuses when flat-footed. Why should this be the one dodge bonus that breaks that rule?
Sacred fist is all kinds of crazy. Just noticed that its AC Bonus is (Su), while monk's is (Ex). That'll be fun to sort out in an antimagic field.
Since the multiclassed character is using the monk AC bonus it is an (EX) ability, not a (SU). If it was a single classed sacred fist, they would not get the AC bonus in an antimagic field, but the mutliclassed character will get the full bonus.
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