| Grpadv |
So recently my mythic group were hunting for a kraken working for the bbeg. On our way to find him we encountered an allied kraken with the chalice of lissala. We defeated him and as a result the chalice fell into our hands. Since I am playing a kitsune fey sorcerer, naturally the chalice was given to me to use. However ,my DM decided since it’s the only(?) Major artifact Lissala, who is nearly running out of worshippers, has she would probably reach out to my character and ask for a few things to let me keep it.
Naturally, I agreed to do the negotiation because a, she is still a god, and b, I want to keep using the artifact. As part of that deal besides the terms of me and my party not hunting her followers any further(because we killed a lot of them who were the kraken’s minions), ensuring a sanctum for some remaining followers(through the use of create greater demiplane, the sanctum mythic ability and our normal bases) and promising to destabilising/coverting region that apparently previously held one of her temples, i also have to take a portion of her power inside my PC(my guess is my dm is borrowing from dnd where Tiamat I think put a part of herself into a dracolich to not die).on paper the deal seems pretty loaded on her end but she agreed to basically let me do whatever I want with the artifact as long as I continue to venerate her and I also get free divine intervention now.
Now that all the context is mostly done besides some other misc stuff, the crux of my question is because I am a chaotic good character willingly taking a part of a now lawful evil diety, my dm is giving me a free template(frankly about time since most of our party also have other templates or other game advantage through other means) with the caveat being it must be by paizo, an evil alignment which will shift my alignment to chaotic neutral as part of the deal instead of straight to evil, and has aligns with my character and lissala.
The template I had chosen was half succubus cause that sweet bonus to Cha and it fits my character but as my dm and I take a closer look at the little info on lissala, it doesn’t really fit her beside the fact she has a very enchantment focused artifact. Is there a more fitting template I could tell my dm about? We are ok with staying as half succubus but if there’s something more fitting it would be nic. Thanks!
| I grok do u |
Lissala could charge you to become a Divine Guardian of the Chalice rather than a location.
You would have lots to work out with your GM. It even allows you to gain alignment subtypes without requiring you to have the alignment.
Give yourself daily duties to do, like inscribing runes or aiding a follower of Lissala to be rewarded with the powers of the Chalice and template.
| Pizza Lord |
I am just gonna list any that might fit her style or backstory. I am not saying they would work or even be good for your PC.
Mutant (CR +1)
Basically lets you build a creature with mutations based on your HD. Also has a deformity and can take an extra deformity for an extra mutation. Can explain them as possibly an altered shape or body. Snake's tail, beast limbs, etc. Possibly like her herald, Kurshu, below.
Runewarped creature (CR +1)
Maybe not a fit for your PC, but it would mesh with her rune magic association.
Sinwarped
A runwarped creature with the advanced template and bolstered powers. Likely would be Sloth related due to Lissala's cult association with Krune, Runelord of Sloth (I think, I don't really know Pathfinder lore and this is all from Pathfinder wiki).
I was trying to find a composite or stitched version of a template, like her herald, Kurshu the Undying, who she created from various parts. Figured could give them a serpent lower half and wings.
| Grpadv |
Lissala could charge you to become a Divine Guardian of the Chalice rather than a location.
You would have lots to work out with your GM. It even allows you to gain alignment subtypes without requiring you to have the alignment.
Give yourself daily duties to do, like inscribing runes or aiding a follower of Lissala to be rewarded with the powers of the Chalice and template.
That’s a pretty good idea actually, it probably would have to be slightly buffed to match the rest of the group but I really like this idea. An actual divine given template to protect the chalice. Thanks for reminding me about it
| Grpadv |
I am just gonna list any that might fit her style or backstory. I am not saying they would work or even be good for your PC.
Mutant (CR +1)
Basically lets you build a creature with mutations based on your HD. Also has a deformity and can take an extra deformity for an extra mutation. Can explain them as possibly an altered shape or body. Snake's tail, beast limbs, etc. Possibly like her herald, Kurshu, below.Runewarped creature (CR +1)
Maybe not a fit for your PC, but it would mesh with her rune magic association.Sinwarped
A runwarped creature with the advanced template and bolstered powers. Likely would be Sloth related due to Lissala's cult association with Krune, Runelord of Sloth (I think, I don't really know Pathfinder lore and this is all from Pathfinder wiki).I was trying to find a composite or stitched version of a template, like her herald, Kurshu the Undying, who she created from various parts. Figured could give them a serpent lower half and wings.
I actually already have the mutant template, my entire group has it. Our Cyclopean seer with augmented revelation got it from the numerian fluids , naturally the rest of the group wanted it too so we used her divination expertise to locate a group of people with spellscar fever, infected ourselves, heal them and then fail our own checks. Ahh, good times. Maybe I can ask for my mutations to be changed a little since we have been using the normal template instead of the nerfed player one so I have some wiggle room.
Unfortunately runewarpped and sinwarped wouldn’t fly. During the contract we agreed I would be allowed to see the outcome of the changes and my character will definitely not agree to losing all her spells. Not to mention the whole point of her giving this contract is for her to use the chalice and her enchantment expertise to convert and basically subjugate lissala’s old temples from the other powers that have taken residence there(because of her obedience domain she apparently doesn’t care if her worshippers are willing is what my dm told me). So it would be stupid for either party to offer or accept those templates. Also because if the deal falls through and my pc dies or gets her magic stripped the rest of the party are in agreement we will hide the chalice and do our best to destroy it(which means kill as many of her worshippers as possible). And our dm agreed since we have a high level cleric and an oracle follower of another deity there will be little direct divine intervention she can take against us. Though I guess in character my pc doesn’t know this since it was planned by the rest of the party when my pc was unconscious and talking to lissala so eh
| Azothath |
the deity Lissala from my impression is more lawful than evil. The obedience & rewards vs disobedience & punishments.
the PFS Scenarios had more details with the various BBEGs getting special "things". So sidhedron marks, tatoos, wafers... I don't recall her giving any templates.
clearly something to review.
creatures
Axiomite
old dnd3.5 Illumians
Aon search "rune"
| Grpadv |
the deity Lissala from my impression is more lawful than evil. The obedience & rewards vs disobedience & punishments.
the PFS Scenarios had more details with the various BBEGs getting special "things". So sidhedron marks, tatoos, wafers... I don't recall her giving any templates.
clearly something to review.creatures
Axiomite
old dnd3.5 Illumians
Aon search "rune"
Yeah you are probably right that’s my dms impression of her as well I think. But we couldn’t really find any templates that suited the situation and because he didn’t really want to make another template so he basically just asked me to choose one with the available parameters and then he will just justify it by saying she could manipulate her own energies to mimic certain planes energy and thus give me the template.
Really lacking one rune templates for spellcasters tho you’d think they be more of them since the majority of the rune lords and their predecessors are powerful spellcasters
| Azothath |
a template is to adjust the CR of a creature, so IMO it is being misused AND your GM should have thought & planned ahead.
That aside, a simple template just has 1 change, a complex template should have 3 stages 3-4 HD apart at CR +1, +2, maybe +3.
Advanced simple template adds +2 natl AC and +4 abil to each {Int>2}. It is awesome so you want less than that.
This is now Homebrew territory.
Runic template CR +1 [Law, Rune] Type:acquired, Summons:no.
The creature gains a prominent noticeable rune or symbol (Perception DC 5) on its skin which can not be concealed using mundane(makeup, worn clothes, armor, etc) or magical methods of less than 2nd spell level.
• The creature may change its alignment to Lawful when it acquires this template. If Chaotic it must choose moral Neutral or Lawful alignment.
• The creature gains Cypher Magic feat and may activate scrolls as if it had UMD or Spellcraft at ((HD or Lvl)/2) ranks. It may use an appropriate Runestone to recast the last scroll activated that day.
• If the creature has Scribe Scroll it may scribe a magical tattoo of a spell with range personal, self, 0, or touch of SplLvl 3 or less on its body using the time and cost of a scroll. It may have only one such tattoo and another caster cannot scribe or assist with the tattoo.
• The creature gains +2 on saves versus effects from scrolls, runes, symbols, or written materials.
• The creature can consume a touched scroll(fills a hand, need not be 'eaten') as a full round action gaining (4*SplLvl)HP in healing. The scroll must be accessible(not in a case) and the scroll paper/parchment/material is destroyed in the process.
• The creature gains SLA Protection from Chaos:A1@(HD or Lvl) 1/d. The SLA is based on the creature's spellcasting ability score or Cha, whichever is higher.
At 5 HD it gains another use of Protection from Chaos and in place of Prot frm Chaos may use a 1st SplLvl spell from the Rune domain.
At 10 HD it gains another use of Protection from Chaos and in place of Prot frm Chaos may use a 1st or 2nd SplLvl spell from the Rune domain or Magic Circle Against Chaos:A3@(HD or Lvl).
• The creature gains the spell list from the Rune domain. It gains these spells at (minimum caster level plus one) as a known or learned spell. If it normally cannot cast spells it may use UMD or Spellcraft (whichever it prefers) using its (HD or Lvl) as CstrLvl to activate scrolls as outlined above.
• The creature can be targeted by Erase:T1 spell or similar spells that erase/remove magical writings, at range taking (CstrLvl) damage with Will save for no damage, at touch (CstrLvl) damage with Will save for half damage. If a spell does not have a Touch or Close/Medium/Long range then that option is ignored.
| Azothath |
on runic/pseudomath feats;
→ Azothath's HB Arithmancy
→ Azothath's HB Sacred Geometry
AFAIK the BBEGs were vampires, sinspawn, crazed/duped cultists, and the occasional evil priest or maybe mesmerist. As I said above I'd have to review the scenarios.