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Mysterious Stranger wrote:

The description of the deck of many things does not mention rolling dice, so the flash of insight has no effect. Since as far as I know there is no such thing as a d22 or d54 there is no way to roll those.

I also agree with Claxon that there is no way I would let a player choose the result of a draw from a deck of many things. The deck is an artifact and those are usually not affected by any but the most powerful magic and even then, it is not guaranteed.

Yeah I mostly agree it’s just stuck me as odd that deck requires a physical deck to use as my group the few times we used it we used an online dice/random number generator. I should clarify that we are literally using a custom 22 sided dice or 54 sided dice but rather we are getting a computer to select a random number from 1-22 or 1-54.

The reason I assumed it should be able to affect the deck is because other more powerful artifacts such as the codex of infinite planes allow rolling of dice for random effects(hence flash of insight can affect it) which would make the deck of many things the only random effects generator which doesn’t use dice rolls explicitly in its description


Basically as the title. Do you describe it as their body physically resisting the damage? Does your character dodge hits to minimise the actual damage on their body or something else? Was wondering how most DMs describe it.

So for example, say a rogue gets shot with a pistol for 1d8 damage, taking 4 damage but they have 100 plus hp. Do you describe that the bullet hits but the rogues muscles are too tense and hard for the bullet to pierce deeper? Do you describe that the rogue twists out of the way even as the bullet hits, causing the bullet to only graze him? Or maybe it hits and does pierce into his body but he pushes on unfazed due to determination? How do most do it?

Edit: I am just here to hear how you all do it so I won’t respond unless you ask me to or I have a follow up question


Claxon wrote:

Deck of Many Things is a campaign ender.

If your GM is introducing it, you're really going to need to ask them how'd they'd let it work with anything else.

As a GM, I would absolutely never let you choose your result from the Deck of Many Things, regardless of what abilities you have.

At any rate, the Deck of Many Things description I was reading in no way suggest that it should be a dice roll. So I don't see any reason to believe you should treat it as such.

And if for some reason I didn't have access to a deck of cards and needed to simulate it with a dice roll, I would not go in order from 1 to 22 as the cards are listed but rather I would mix it up (and no, I wouldn't tell you the order).

Fair enough since the decks description does say you need playing cards to simulate drawing from it. Though in games where I have played with a deck of many things my dms or myself either uses an online number generator or dice. Maybe it’s just me but none of my friends(or myself for that matter) has tarot or poker/blackjack cards at home because why would we have them at home. And frankly it’s easier to cheat a shuffled deck than an online random number generator.

I wouldn’t really agree with your last point about mixing up the numbers tho as I don’t see the point? If you are going to roll randomly anyway, mixing it up is unnecessary. Unless of course you want to fudge the roll and already know what card you want the player to draw. Especially that bit about not telling the players the order. Because now the players would have no idea if the roll even matters as you can just say, “ oh a 6? Because of my reorder you drew <whatever card>.” You might as well just forgo the roll and just tell the player what card they drew which goes against the purpose of randomness.

Though this answer is good enough, it definitely make cyclops too op. Imagine a bunch of cyclops just get free wishes everyday. They would rule the world easily


When you use the cyclopean seer revelation to gain flash of insight can you use that to choose what card you are going to get from it. Reason I am asking is that the normal deck, the harrow deck and the mother deck all suggest or state that a dm should use a physical deck of cards to do the drawing instead of rolling for the result and flash of insight can only change any dice roll. But if you don’t have a deck of cards lying around you would use a d22 or d54 for the harrowed deck which is something flash of insight could manipulate. So my interpretation is RAW you shouldn’t because of the text but RAI you would be able to. Thoughts?


One of my party members were given the prophecy addled creature template after mythic ascension and aiding some cyclops oracle. Just to clarify: this is the special quality the template gives:

Special Qualities If the creature has flash of brutality, flash of insight, or another special quality that allows it to reroll a d20 roll a certain number of times each day, it can use that ability two additional times each y. If not, the creature gains the following special quality.

Prophetic Insight (Su)

Three times per day as an immediate action, the prophecy-addled creature can reroll any one d20 roll that it has just made before the results of the roll are revealed. It must take the result of the reroll, even if it’s worse than the original roll.

As she is a cyclopean seer with the flash of insight revelation and abundant revelation she can now use flash of insight 4 times right? 1 from the revelation, 1 from the abundant revelation and 2 from the template. Am asking cause another player thought she would only have 2 flash of insight uses and 3 free d20 rerolls as when we transferred our characters to hero lab she got the 3 free d20 rerolls


Azothath wrote:

the deity Lissala from my impression is more lawful than evil. The obedience & rewards vs disobedience & punishments.

the PFS Scenarios had more details with the various BBEGs getting special "things". So sidhedron marks, tatoos, wafers... I don't recall her giving any templates.
clearly something to review.

creatures
Axiomite
old dnd3.5 Illumians
Aon search "rune"

Yeah you are probably right that’s my dms impression of her as well I think. But we couldn’t really find any templates that suited the situation and because he didn’t really want to make another template so he basically just asked me to choose one with the available parameters and then he will just justify it by saying she could manipulate her own energies to mimic certain planes energy and thus give me the template.

Really lacking one rune templates for spellcasters tho you’d think they be more of them since the majority of the rune lords and their predecessors are powerful spellcasters


Pizza Lord wrote:

I am just gonna list any that might fit her style or backstory. I am not saying they would work or even be good for your PC.

Mutant (CR +1)
Basically lets you build a creature with mutations based on your HD. Also has a deformity and can take an extra deformity for an extra mutation. Can explain them as possibly an altered shape or body. Snake's tail, beast limbs, etc. Possibly like her herald, Kurshu, below.

Runewarped creature (CR +1)
Maybe not a fit for your PC, but it would mesh with her rune magic association.

Sinwarped
A runwarped creature with the advanced template and bolstered powers. Likely would be Sloth related due to Lissala's cult association with Krune, Runelord of Sloth (I think, I don't really know Pathfinder lore and this is all from Pathfinder wiki).

I was trying to find a composite or stitched version of a template, like her herald, Kurshu the Undying, who she created from various parts. Figured could give them a serpent lower half and wings.

I actually already have the mutant template, my entire group has it. Our Cyclopean seer with augmented revelation got it from the numerian fluids , naturally the rest of the group wanted it too so we used her divination expertise to locate a group of people with spellscar fever, infected ourselves, heal them and then fail our own checks. Ahh, good times. Maybe I can ask for my mutations to be changed a little since we have been using the normal template instead of the nerfed player one so I have some wiggle room.

Unfortunately runewarpped and sinwarped wouldn’t fly. During the contract we agreed I would be allowed to see the outcome of the changes and my character will definitely not agree to losing all her spells. Not to mention the whole point of her giving this contract is for her to use the chalice and her enchantment expertise to convert and basically subjugate lissala’s old temples from the other powers that have taken residence there(because of her obedience domain she apparently doesn’t care if her worshippers are willing is what my dm told me). So it would be stupid for either party to offer or accept those templates. Also because if the deal falls through and my pc dies or gets her magic stripped the rest of the party are in agreement we will hide the chalice and do our best to destroy it(which means kill as many of her worshippers as possible). And our dm agreed since we have a high level cleric and an oracle follower of another deity there will be little direct divine intervention she can take against us. Though I guess in character my pc doesn’t know this since it was planned by the rest of the party when my pc was unconscious and talking to lissala so eh


I grok do u wrote:

Lissala could charge you to become a Divine Guardian of the Chalice rather than a location.

You would have lots to work out with your GM. It even allows you to gain alignment subtypes without requiring you to have the alignment.

Give yourself daily duties to do, like inscribing runes or aiding a follower of Lissala to be rewarded with the powers of the Chalice and template.

That’s a pretty good idea actually, it probably would have to be slightly buffed to match the rest of the group but I really like this idea. An actual divine given template to protect the chalice. Thanks for reminding me about it


So recently my mythic group were hunting for a kraken working for the bbeg. On our way to find him we encountered an allied kraken with the chalice of lissala. We defeated him and as a result the chalice fell into our hands. Since I am playing a kitsune fey sorcerer, naturally the chalice was given to me to use. However ,my DM decided since it’s the only(?) Major artifact Lissala, who is nearly running out of worshippers, has she would probably reach out to my character and ask for a few things to let me keep it.

Naturally, I agreed to do the negotiation because a, she is still a god, and b, I want to keep using the artifact. As part of that deal besides the terms of me and my party not hunting her followers any further(because we killed a lot of them who were the kraken’s minions), ensuring a sanctum for some remaining followers(through the use of create greater demiplane, the sanctum mythic ability and our normal bases) and promising to destabilising/coverting region that apparently previously held one of her temples, i also have to take a portion of her power inside my PC(my guess is my dm is borrowing from dnd where Tiamat I think put a part of herself into a dracolich to not die).on paper the deal seems pretty loaded on her end but she agreed to basically let me do whatever I want with the artifact as long as I continue to venerate her and I also get free divine intervention now.

Now that all the context is mostly done besides some other misc stuff, the crux of my question is because I am a chaotic good character willingly taking a part of a now lawful evil diety, my dm is giving me a free template(frankly about time since most of our party also have other templates or other game advantage through other means) with the caveat being it must be by paizo, an evil alignment which will shift my alignment to chaotic neutral as part of the deal instead of straight to evil, and has aligns with my character and lissala.

The template I had chosen was half succubus cause that sweet bonus to Cha and it fits my character but as my dm and I take a closer look at the little info on lissala, it doesn’t really fit her beside the fact she has a very enchantment focused artifact. Is there a more fitting template I could tell my dm about? We are ok with staying as half succubus but if there’s something more fitting it would be nic. Thanks!