Poison Vs unseen servant

[MR CRITICAL]

Can I apply a contact poison on to an unseen servant and hav it run into ppl as a way to affect them w the poison ???

[Mysterious Stranger]

No, because running into a target would require an attack roll, and unseen servants cannot make attack rolls of any kind.

Unseen servants are also shapeless which would make it impossible to apply poison to.

[Pizza Lord]

At best, the unseen servant could pour the poison out onto a creature if it didn't require an attack roll, such as a sleeping or helpless one or one that was standing very still, like a sentry, that didn't see it (well, technically that didn't see the bottle it was carrying). Or apply it to the surface of something or pour an ingested poison into a food or drink.

[Melkiador]

Unseen Servent wrote:

The servant cannot attack in any way

CBB Magic Chapter wrote:

Attacks: Some spell descriptions refer to attacking. All offensive combat actions, even those that don't damage opponents, are considered attacks. Attempts to channel energy count as attacks if it would harm any creatures in the area. All spells that opponents resist with saving throws, that deal damage, or that otherwise harm or hamper subjects are attacks. Spells that summon monsters or other allies are not attacks because the spells themselves don't harm anyone.

At most, a servant may be able to apply the vial of poison to some object, but they could never directly apply it to a creature

Being shapeless doesn't really matter much here, but not being an object does.

Quote:

Applying Poison

One dose of poison smeared on a weapon or some other object affects just a single target. A poisoned weapon or object retains its poison until the weapon scores a hit or the object is touched (unless the poison is wiped off before a target comes in contact with it).

The servant touching the applied poison causes the poison to not be retained, and thus lost.

[Mysterious Stranger]

Unseen Servant specifically states in cannot attack in any way. That would prevent it from poring poison directly on someone. They could however poor an ingested poison into food or drink.

[MR CRITICAL]

Wat if the servant was carrying the object than run into someone? Like hav the poison on an object than hav the servant run into a creature ??

[Java Man]

Running into a creature with an object is usually called attacking with an improvised weapon, so no.

[Melkiador]

At most, the servant could be holding a poisoned object and then another creature could run into it, but even that pushes the boundary of what counts as an "attack" under the rules for magic.

[Java Man]

If an orc stands there holding a poisoned barstool I can grapple, overrun, bull rush, punch, kick and bite said orc and never be poidoned by said barstool, unless I am attacked with the stool or choose to make an unarmed attack on said stool directly.

So no, that poisoned stool is not more hazardous when held by the unaeen servant.

[MR CRITICAL]

Wat if I use a token like a bird token than the bird fly’s on a creature w the poison ???

[wraithstrike]

MR CRITICAL wrote:

Wat if I use a token like a bird token than the bird fly’s on a creature w the poison ???

That is an attack and the token does not have the ability to attack.

Objects can't make attacks unless it has a special rule saying it can.

Why not just poison a weapon and throw the weapon at someone, or use a ranged weapon?

[Mysterious Stranger]

If you are looking for a way to attack with poisoned item Telekinetic Volley would work. It would be best to have poison use so you don’t accidentally poison yourself.

[MR CRITICAL]

I’m trying to hav other things attack w the poison instead of myself so I can focus on other things

[Melkiador]

Maybe an aether elemental familiar? They could sneak around and poison the enemy’s stuff. They are immune to poison so can’t poison themself. And they are invisible so are very good at stealth. Also, they treat a lot of enemies as being flat footed because they are invisible so they could throw poisoned items at them with decent accuracy.

You could also summon these, but then you have the limitation of availability. They are one of the best choices for a Summon Guardian Spirit.

[Mysterious Stranger]

MR CRITICAL wrote:

I’m trying to hav other things attack w the poison instead of myself so I can focus on other things

Use a quickened telekinetic volley then. What you are trying to do is to circumvent the action economy. This is purposely made difficult for game balance. Any way to do that is going to be difficult and probably require a high-level character.

[Java Man]

What you need are minions, these could be summoned, charmed or hired.

[MR CRITICAL]

As a alchemist is limited to using certain things but main thing is using poison to affect ppl