Ed Reppert |
Several of the class archetypes in WoI are clearly intended to be the 2E equivalent of 1E hybrid classes. Bloodrager, for example. Is Seneschal in that group, or is it something completely new?
exequiel759 |
Seneschal is completely new, though to be fair the patron wasn't really as important in PF1e and it was mostly a flavor thing. In PF1e it was as well, but in PF2e the patron is more "codified" into the rules of the class, so it could be assumed you could be your own patron in PF1e if you wanted. I also believe somewhere it was said that the minimum power for a patron was at least CR 10 (so around level 9-11 in PF2e).
Squark |
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A Seneschal is a witch whose patron is no longer responding, and is now seeking to take that Patron's power for themselves. It borrows a few feats from cleric, but it's mostly centered upon assuming your patron's role as a power broker (the dedication gives you Witch's Charge early at the cost of not allowing creatures with the minion trait to be your charge, but also letting you center your special emanation hex on your charge if they stay within 30 feet) and eventually learn to use your will to alter reality.
It doesn't feel much like a hybrid class, where even with the flavor changes the bloodrager still casts like a sorcerer and the slayer clearly has some ranger in them.
Mangaholic13 |
Several of the class archetypes in WoI are clearly intended to be the 2E equivalent of 1E hybrid classes. Bloodrager, for example. Is Seneschal in that group, or is it something completely new?
In reverse order: The Seneschal is a witch whose patron, for some reason, is no longer responding to their communing. They've still got access to their magic (including their familiar). The Seneschal then, as they level up, tries to assume the position and power of their patron, gaining the ability to make others a part of their coven and have them act as conduits for their magic.
Also, while I agree that Vindicator and Avenger are 2e's versions of Inquisitor and Slayer (Paizo even admitted that the name change for Vindicator is because they don't want to associate a potential heroic class with the Inquisition), I really don't think Bloodrager counts, personally.
1e's version of the Bloodrager was literally "You're a Barbarian Sorcerer", 2e's Bloodrager takes the "Blood" part more literally in that all your powers are related to blood. Using your blood to fuel your magic (hence the drain condition), gaining power from harvesting the blood of others, and making your foes bleed.
Also, the Warrior of Legend isn't in that group either. Their deal is built around replicating all heroes of myth who possessed great strength and durability but a glaring weakness that could spell their doom. This takes the form of a weakness to one of the basic damage types (blugeoning, piercing, or slashing) and gaining Doom condition at 2 if you're not Doomed yet. In exchange, when you are Doomed, you can use various powerful abilities, some of which lowers your Doom value. Examples that I can think of off the top of my head are Achilles, Siegfried, and Samson, but I'm sure there are more out there.