Loving the meme references

[Finoan]

It is a lot of fun to have these references to various things in the names of feats and abilities and such.

Special shoutout for '360 No Scope' and 'Death Blossom'.

[Dustin Knight]

Thank you.

I used to be on the fence about naming abilities after popular nomenclature, then about a decade ago I starting playing Pathfinder with some active duty military in Savannah and we talked about the terminology used on base for equipment, maneuvers, drills, etc... and I realized that memorable names actually help us remember and differentiate between abilities, which is a helpful tool in a tabletop game when you want to skim down a character sheet and quickly remember what all your abilities do.

It's also super fun.

[VampByDay]

Finoan wrote:

It is a lot of fun to have these references to various things in the names of feats and abilities and such.

Special shoutout for '360 No Scope' and 'Death Blossom'.

Don't forget the spells "Doom Scroll" and "Vibe Check."

[keftiu]

I could go either way on most of them, but the Additional Spoons skill feat rubs me the wrong way - let's not hand a pretty particular bit of disability-focused language to people without its proper context, please.

[Guntermench]

The context is in the feat.

[VampByDay]

keftiu wrote:

I could go either way on most of them, but the Additional Spoons skill feat rubs me the wrong way - let's not hand a pretty particular bit of disability-focused language to people without its proper context, please.

I didn’t even get that reference. I tried looking it up and all I got was talking about table settings when there are additional spoons (like a soup spoon in addition to a normal spoon).

[Guntermench]

VampByDay wrote:

keftiu wrote:

I could go either way on most of them, but the Additional Spoons skill feat rubs me the wrong way - let's not hand a pretty particular bit of disability-focused language to people without its proper context, please.

I didn’t even get that reference. I tried looking it up and all I got was talking about table settings when there are additional spoons (like a soup spoon in addition to a normal spoon).

People start the day with limited energy (spoons). Every time they do something it costs them a spoon. Eventually they run out of spoons.

[Finoan]

keftiu wrote:

I could go either way on most of them, but the Additional Spoons skill feat rubs me the wrong way - let's not hand a pretty particular bit of disability-focused language to people without its proper context, please.

I can understand the concern. Especially since for some types of disabilities there is no way to get additional energy - help from an ally or not.

But considering what the feat does and how it is presented, I don't personally have much problem with the name and reference. It is better for people to be exposed to the idea and have such things normalized even if it isn't a perfect representation for everyone and every disability at the same time (no representation possibly could be that).

Also: Spoon Theory for those unfamiliar.

[Dustin Knight]

keftiu wrote:

I could go either way on most of them, but the Additional Spoons skill feat rubs me the wrong way - let's not hand a pretty particular bit of disability-focused language to people without its proper context, please.

I respect this opinion and understand the concern. It was a class feature for an archetype in First Edition that actually prompted me to learn about the theory and apply it to my own self-care routine, so teaching people about it by using the nomenclature might not be a bad thing. You should feel free to raise the concern in your survey so we can bring it up and discuss it as a team after we recover from Gen Con and the excitement of the initial release, because this is the kind of issue we take seriously and the kind of opinion we appreciate.