Talisman Esoterica and Spellhearts

[Flames of Chaos]

Quick silly question:

Can a Thaumaturge with Talisman Esoterica make Spellhearts with their 2 free talismans per day?

Talisman Esoterica:
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You know how to assemble the supernatural objects in your esoterica into a number of temporary talismans. Each day during your daily preparations, you can make two talismans with an item level no higher than half your level. You must know each talisman's formula. A talisman created this way is a temporary item and loses its magic the next time you make your daily preparations.

You know the formulas for all common talismans in the Core Rulebook of your level or lower. You remember your talisman formulas through oral tradition or mnemonics, so you don't need a formula book for them.

[HammerJack]

Nope. Spellhearts are attached like talismans but they are not talismans.

[Finoan]

Spellheart rules for reference.

And yes I would agree with HammerJack. While Spellhearts share a lot of the same rules and restrictions, they are different item types.

Fulu would be a closer match, though only certain types of those. And there is still an argument that they are different enough to not be given by Talisman Esoterica.

[Flames of Chaos]

Finoan wrote:

Spellheart rules for reference.

And yes I would agree with HammerJack. While Spellhearts share a lot of the same rules and restrictions, they are different item types.

Fulu would be a closer match, though only certain types of those. And there is still an argument that they are different enough to not be given by Talisman Esoterica.

Thanks! I see some of the fuulu (spelled correctly?) were listed on the generic talismans section of 2e.aonprd.com. Would those be the certain ones I could MacGeiver up for free each day?

[Trip.H]

Flames of Chaos wrote:

Finoan wrote:

Spellheart rules for reference.

And yes I would agree with HammerJack. While Spellhearts share a lot of the same rules and restrictions, they are different item types.

Fulu would be a closer match, though only certain types of those. And there is still an argument that they are different enough to not be given by Talisman Esoterica.

Thanks! I see some of the fuulu (spelled correctly?) were listed on the generic talismans section of 2e.aonprd.com. Would those be the certain ones I could MacGeiver up for free each day?

I think so, yes.

As far as I understand, Fulus are a subset of Talismans.

It's like healing elixirs being a subset of alchemical items.

[Finoan]

It isn't quite a proper subset. There are plenty of Fulu that are not Talismans too.

Personally I would rule that as long as the Fulu has both the Talisman trait and is a Consumable, that it would work with Talisman Esoterica and you could choose those to create for the day.

Other GMs may decide otherwise.

[Trip.H]

Finoan wrote:

Hunh, wow, there's a more fulus than I thought. That's what I get for browsing talismans and then seeing the list of fulus inside of that, accidentally filtering out all the others.

Bottom line is that talisman is the trait you looking for to see if it's eligible for the free dailies, which may or may not also happen to be a fulu.