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Teaser trailer released today.
Looks good, despite the super weird release date for a movie like this. I've heard of counter programming, but this seems like it would do better the week before or after without direct competition with romantic comedies.
With this and the Agatha All Along trailer dropping this week, I wonder what big new drops will happen in a few weeks at SDCC.

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I saw several articles yesterday about this movie once again being sent for rework and possible reshoots after another negative test screening. If that's true, I'd be curious to see the effect on the budget, which was already reportedly somewhere around $375 million. I'm not sure I can see this movie ever making money.

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I may watch.
If they rework it in the manner of Snow White I'll give it a hard pass.
Honestly, I think at this point they should just have made a Falcon and the Winter Soldier movie. No need to "update" the characters or presentation - just give us Bucky and Sam and I'm all in! Oh please! Oh please!

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I saw several articles yesterday about this movie once again being sent for rework and possible reshoots after another negative test screening. If that's true, I'd be curious to see the effect on the budget, which was already reportedly somewhere around $375 million. I'm not sure I can see this movie ever making money.
You mind sharing a source? I don't doubt you, I just haven't seen it in the corners of the internet I tend to lurk in and am curious to see what was being said.
I am worried indeed thus may be true...
One of the things which hurt the Falcon and the Winter Soldier AND Secret Invasion were reshoots that Marvel/Disney wanted to do because they had plotlines that coincidentally echoed events in real life... TFATWS had a pandemic/vaccine storyline which they changed because of COVID, and Secret Invasion originally had a stronger plotline focusing on them orchestrating a Russian invasion of another country (or something like that), and then Russia invaded Ukraine IRL. IMO the rewrites in both cases severely weakened the stories they had (although in the case of Secret Invasion especially it was not the only reason it was largely disappointing), and created loose ends (frex, there was some stuff with medicines and sick people in TFATWS that felt extremely weak because they cut out half of the plot, and a lot of the motivations of the Flag Smashers would have made more sense if they'd left it in).
I think fearing backlash over the similarity of the plots was a stupid reason to rewrite the stories--especially in the case of TFATWS. I struggle to imagine something that was resonant with COVID turning off a majority of viewers; indeed, done right it could help the audience engage through an event people around the world can relate to. People who would be turned off by it would likely be turned off by other silly things in Marvel shows anyway. It's weird to me that's where they'd draw the line.
Anyway, without going into details that might violate Paizo's no politics rule, I think it's safe to say that American politics are increasingly divisive, and will be only increasingly with the upcoming change in presidential administration. The plot of Brave New World involves a president of the United States turning into a literal monster and no doubt touches on other political issues.
Rumors of bad screenings aside, I worry they may be wanting to do rewrites for similar reasons, to tone down the "politics" of the story. Which will likely, as with their prior efforts, weaken the plot and gut it of anything making it worth watching.
The best Captain America movie to date IMO was The Winter Soldier, hands down. And part of why it was so good was they were not afraid of digging into the political thriller aspects. They had senators and UN representatives being controlled by Nazis in that one. They went there, and it was good. The crux of Civil War likewise was asking about where government oversight should start and end and how easily people can be manipulated with ideas of things like terrorist threats.
Moreover, Captain America comics-wise has often dealt with deeply political issues. It's kind of part of the point of the character (whether Steve or Sam or whoever). If the writers/producers are too afraid to deal with politics, then they should let the franchise die because they can't handle it.

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One of the first articles I saw about it was a few weeks ago:
Captain America: Brave New World Is Actually Getting Even More Reshoots
I didn’t put much into it at the time because it seemed like just one actor.
This site I’m not familiar with, but it was more recent when a friend shared it with me:
Marvel Calls for More Reshoots on ‘Captain America: Brave New World’ After Failed Test Screening
I’ve also seen some YouTube videos with people talking about it. Since I didn’t actually search for that kind of thing on YouTube, I can only imagine it showed up in my feed because I was talking about it around my phone. Which, in and of itself, is kind of creepy.

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Aberzombie wrote:I saw several articles yesterday about this movie once again being sent for rework and possible reshoots after another negative test screening. If that's true, I'd be curious to see the effect on the budget, which was already reportedly somewhere around $375 million. I'm not sure I can see this movie ever making money.You mind sharing a source? I don't doubt you, I just haven't seen it in the corners of the internet I tend to lurk in and am curious to see what was being said.
I am worried indeed thus may be true...
One of the things which hurt the Falcon and the Winter Soldier AND Secret Invasion were reshoots that Marvel/Disney wanted to do because they had plotlines that coincidentally echoed events in real life...
I heard about that, yes.

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No shade on TFA. Had a lot of great stuff to it, plus much more Hayley Atwell!
In terms of writing and pacing, I do think TWS was the better film--which is to say, "better" and "favorite" do not have to be the same thing. I think TWS balanced action with giving food for thought and providing deeper character development. By all means TFA I agree was a lot more *fun*--and it is very important for comic book movies to have fun.

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I know, I know. I usually say "I liked it" even when others thought it was a giant flaming bucket of donkey droppings. And some of the movies I didn't like--Endgame, for example, I have a lot of issues with--a lot of people do. YMMV, etc.
So.
I liked it. And moreover, it was a LOT more coherent, thematically consistent, and inspiring than I was expecting it to be. And it is the best work I've seen Anthony Mackie do, and I've always thought him to be a strong actor. Harrison Ford of course often steals the show, and really does a tremendous job of playing a Ross who is heavily nuanced and human and yet still correctly an asshat. I really liked the action scenes.
It is, like many Marvel films, about 20 minutes too long, and the pacing has strong problems through the middle, particularly when the script begins to rely on a lot of "as you know, Bob" exposition dialogue to catch the audience up on what is happening and why. The movie needed a vastly better script editor.
It also wants to be the Winter Soldier too hard but doesn't have an adequate twist to make it work like that. The fact that they have many parallel characters is weird--Sam is Steve, Joaquin is Sam (with a dash of a circumstance assigned to Nick in TWS), Ruth is Nat (painfully so; she's outright just a random Black Widow inserted into the story for reasons and looks and sounds like Nat), Sam's friend at the White House is sort of Maria, etc. I'm not sure we needed those parallels. There's a part where the heroes are considered rogue (which resolves too soon and too easily). A writer needed to stick to formula just a little less.
But, this is not to say it is fully formulaic. They actually play a bit with the act structures to good effect. There is of course a big boss fight at the end but it is at an appropriate scale and doesn't feel badly inserted and there are no skybeams or other nonsense. It is nonetheless a solid superhero-meets-political/war-thriller and appropriately timed. There is a really cool aerial battle, as there should be when the main character and his sidekick are all about flying. I really like how they write Sam, both with his physical skills as a soldier and flying suit navigator AND with his insightfulness on human nature and history as a counselor. Joaquin is a good foil and I hope we see him again. The relationships built are good and I'd like to see most of the characters we meet here again.
My only other nitpick is... and I usually am NOT a person who b~$%!es about "why isn't [Marvel character not in the film] referenced?" because I accept it's impossible to include everyone and cludgy to mention the in dialogue... but there are several characters involved in this story where it would seem like a no-brainer for Sam to call Bruce Banner for advice. I didn't need to see him show up, but it's weird that he isn't even called. We can assume that this story takes place around the same time as She-Hulk, when Bruce went off planet, but a "Bruce is off-planet, so I can't ask him to help," would be a useful throwaway line to indicate that, in spite of my complaint about there being too much exposition. But that is a really small complaint.
I also thought it was worth seeing on the big screen, especially for the aerial battle.
There is a post-credits scene that is pretty meh. You can wait for it, but you won't miss much of anything if you need to go pee.

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I may watch.
If they rework it in the manner of Snow White I'll give it a hard pass.
Honestly, I think at this point they should just have made a Falcon and the Winter Soldier movie. No need to "update" the characters or presentation - just give us Bucky and Sam and I'm all in! Oh please! Oh please!
If they'd only listened to me. Sigh....
IMDB says it's a "6.1" and I concur, as usual. There is little in the way of verisimilitude at Marvel (or Star Wars for that matter) anymore and it pulls me right out of the story every single time. The acting was fine, or perhaps outstanding given what they had to work with. The plot (was there a plot? maybe parts of three plots strung together?) is, as someone said, 'toothlessly topical'.
Captain Falcon has no serum to make him go, yet he goes just as hard as the OG Captain ever did. How?
It's bang on for a typical MCU bash-up runtime yet it does seem at least 20 minutes too long. How?
Have you seen the trailers? Then, in essence, you've seen the movie. Why?
Not how I would spend $400M.... just say'n.

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Not how I would spend $400M.... just say'n.
But the official number, given to us by people who couldn't possibly have any incentive to be less than forthcoming on the subject, is only supposed to be $180M.
At least, that's what the deposed Nigerian prince who wants my credit card information tells me.

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Quark Blast wrote:I may watch.
If they rework it in the manner of Snow White I'll give it a hard pass.
Honestly, I think at this point they should just have made a Falcon and the Winter Soldier movie. No need to "update" the characters or presentation - just give us Bucky and Sam and I'm all in! Oh please! Oh please!
If they'd only listened to me. Sigh....
IMDB says it's a "6.1" and I concur, as usual. There is little in the way of verisimilitude at Marvel (or Star Wars for that matter) anymore and it pulls me right out of the story every single time. The acting was fine, or perhaps outstanding given what they had to work with. The plot (was there a plot? maybe parts of three plots strung together?) is, as someone said, 'toothlessly topical'.
Captain Falcon has no serum to make him go, yet he goes just as hard as the OG Captain ever did. How?
It's bang on for a typical MCU bash-up runtime yet it does seem at least 20 minutes too long. How?
Have you seen the trailers? Then, in essence, you've seen the movie. Why?
Not how I would spend $400M.... just say'n.
You don't need the serum to kick ass.
He also has a super suit.

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I know, I know. I usually say "I liked it" even when others thought it was a giant flaming bucket of donkey droppings. And some of the movies I didn't like--Endgame, for example, I have a lot of issues with--a lot of people do. YMMV, etc.
So.
I liked it. And moreover, it was a LOT more coherent, thematically consistent, and inspiring than I was expecting it to be. And it is the best work I've seen Anthony Mackie do, and I've always thought him to be a strong actor. Harrison Ford of course often steals the show, and really does a tremendous job of playing a Ross who is heavily nuanced and human and yet still correctly an asshat. I really liked the action scenes.
It is, like many Marvel films, about 20 minutes too long, and the pacing has strong problems through the middle, particularly when the script begins to rely on a lot of "as you know, Bob" exposition dialogue to catch the audience up on what is happening and why. The movie needed a vastly better script editor.
It also wants to be the Winter Soldier too hard but doesn't have an adequate twist to make it work like that. The fact that they have many parallel characters is weird--Sam is Steve, Joaquin is Sam (with a dash of a circumstance assigned to Nick in TWS), Ruth is Nat (painfully so; she's outright just a random Black Widow inserted into the story for reasons and looks and sounds like Nat), Sam's friend at the White House is sort of Maria, etc. I'm not sure we needed those parallels. There's a part where the heroes are considered rogue (which resolves too soon and too easily). A writer needed to stick to formula just a little less.
But, this is not to say it is fully formulaic. They actually play a bit with the act structures to good effect. There is of course a big boss fight at the end but it is at an appropriate scale and doesn't feel badly inserted and there are no skybeams or other nonsense. It is nonetheless a solid superhero-meets-political/war-thriller and appropriately timed. There is a really cool aerial battle, as there...
I'm glad it has the DQ Seal Of Approval. Which looks more like a friendly dog, but whatever.
All I need is the Amby Gator of Approval and I'll see it in theatres.

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You don't need the serum to kick ass.
He also has a super suit.
Indeed. FWIW, I thought the film's action scenes make very clear if you pay attention that what saves his butt most of the time is the vibranium suit, which he uses very well to absorb and redirect kinetic energy, which is what vibranium does. The rest of what he does is what you expect from a "normal human hero" in the Marvel universe (which means he's still ridiculously "peak" for a peak human, but no more so than Matt Murdock or Natasha or Clint or Yelena or Melinda May or the other human-strength level characters in the MCU and its expanded universe).

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I mean, they're called super heroes for a reason.
Just saying.
You mean except for the super villains, right?
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FWIW, I thought the film's action scenes make very clear if you pay attention that what saves his butt most of the time is the vibranium suit....
I concur. And, FWIW, my original comment was directed at the many parts of the movie that aren't covered under the "most of the time" exception. They did the same thing with Natasha in her eponymous movie, though one might argue some sort of super serum like conditioning as a Red Room initiate.
I mean, it's not like I'm complaining "Cap never had wings! WTH!" I just want some consistency in the telling of these stories and I'm even allowing for multiverse shenanigans. Clint got his clock cleaned a time or two through the movies. Preternatural accuracy was his calling card and, who knows, maybe he's a quasi mutant.
Tony's a normie but then his suit, after the first one, is basically magi-tech.
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You don't need the serum to kick ass.
He also has a super suit.
You do against Red Hulk! I mean, one should.
Yeah, I noticed a lack of suit from the neck up. That might be a design oversight.
Grace agrees, and I always trust the word of a sassy New Yorker who brings the receipts.
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Watched Hans Zimmer talking to Rick Beato this last week.
Ol' Hans rather nails the issue with this comment here (<-- time stamped so you don't have to watch 1hr 42m of content).

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Finally got around to seeing this, and I liked it.
Cool how they found ways to integrate so many parts of the MCU, with bits that touched on Black Widow, the Eternals, Black Panther, the Incredible Hulk, etc. while introducing some exciting new stuff (that new stuff from Celestial isle!) for fans of the Marvel universe.
The closest thing I have a quibble is the most nonsensical thing ever. Too many damn cherry trees! Ross wants to go walk that special place with Betty (which he ends up breaking anyway). There's some at the White House. There's some where he meets the Japanese president in Japan. I love me some cherry trees, but that's just too darn much for me.
Other trees and flowers need more representation! Stop shoving this cherry tree agenda down my throat! :)

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LOL! Clearly the Washington, DC tourism board helped fund the movie. ;)
It was a perfectly good movie. One where the general backlash perplexes me.
Eh, it has a black Captain America. It's gonna get hate. Somehow Sam without the serum can't be as effective at hero-ing as Natasha or Daredevil (also without the serum), for... reasons. :/
If he *did* take the serum, he'd still get stinkeye from the same sort of people who take every chance to crap on Captain Carter for... reasons.
That said, I'm sure there are some legit reasons to not like this movie.
And even some purely 'I dun like it' reasons, like my reason for not liking The Princess Bride, which every one of my friends regard me as insane for not loving. :)
I kinda still want to see more of some of the ancillary people. From Eternals, Dane Whitman/Black Knight. From She-Hulk, I could watch at least an episode devoted to the whacky antics of Nikki (her intern) and Pug (that one decent dude at her law office). From Black Panther, I think I'd rather watch a show about the Dora Milaje (specifically Akoye) more than Shuri (or hell, find a way to bring Erik Killmonger back, he was electric!). From Hawkeye, I found myself weirdly intrigued by not just the new Widow, who, of course, was amazing, but by Jack Duquyne (sp?) / the Swordsman! I would totally be down for a swashbuckling hero(ish) dude in his 50s! Oh, and hey, as long as we're wishing, from Agent Carter, the even-more-OG-than-Natasha Widow, Dotty!
For this movie's new characters, the Serpent was interesting. That actor is always great, though! Since the Serpent Society has a bunch of 'just tech' folk, or cybernetically enhanced types, it wouldn't be a far stretch at all to have this 'Serpent' end up forming his own 'Serpent Solutions' with (mostly tech) enhanced individuals...
And a tiny waif as Ruth Bat-Seraph. Interesting to make her an (ex) widow! (I know, the actress is nearly 30! She just looks like a child!)
"Uh, Mr. President, the background check finally came in, and the head of your security detail is a former Russian assassin!"
"Key word there, former. I'm paying her approximately infinity times the nothing they were paying her. And her training means she'll be absolutely aware of how any *current* assassins will come at me!"
Also cool to see more of Jaoquin Torres/the new Falcon. And he's from Miami, and I know it's a stereotype that every brown kid from Miami is Cuban-American, but I wonder if he's Cuban-American? :) Not a whole ton of Cubans in the superhero biz.
No sign of Eli Bradley tho, Isaiah's grandson, seen ever so briefly in F&tWS, and part of the never-ever-EVER-to-be-seen Young Avengers, it seems. (Cassie and Kate are gonna be, like, *30* by the time they get around to introducing Teddy or teen Tommy?)
And looking up cast names, one of the guys who died was supposed to be Demolition Man? Unfair! Boo!

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DeathQuaker wrote:Eh, it has a black Captain America. It's gonna get hate. Somehow Sam without the serum can't be as effective at hero-ing as Natasha or Daredevil (also without the serum), for... reasons. :/
It was a perfectly good movie. One where the general backlash perplexes me.
Well, yes. Obviously there's a ton of noisy bigots who have nothing better to do than try to discredit a film because it has a black lead.
I've just seen reactions to it where people are just meh about it and it doesn't seem to be coming from the same folks who are just bigots.
And also Natasha (and Yelena) got plenty of flack for surviving big damage etc. A lot of people b+$%!ed about that in the Black Widow film particularly, even when the film went out of their way to show things like how Natasha is doing stuff to break a fall, etc. And I think it's for similar reasons: GIrLs CAn'T SuPErHeRO. Yes, while Daredevil is always allowed to survive major gunshot wounds etc without a single eyebrow raised.
If he *did* take the serum, he'd still get stinkeye from the same sort of people who take every chance to crap on Captain Carter for... reasons.
This is true. Although as one of Captain Carter's biggest fans, I do agree with some fan complaints that by the end of What If ?! she was getting overused. (But many specific complaints about Captain Carter are ridiculous.) Marvel should have just let the production team make the Captain Carter spinoff show they obviously wanted to make, and done more/different stuff with What If ?! and everyone would have won.
That said, I'm sure there are some legit reasons to not like this movie.
And even some purely 'I dun like it' reasons, like my reason for not liking The Princess Bride, which every one of my friends regard me as insane for not loving. :)
I have a ton of problems with Civil War and Endgame, so that puts me at odds with most MCU fans. It's always fine to just be like "Eh, not for me." Was just more disappointed by the lack of enthusiasm overall.
I kinda still want to see more of some of the ancillary people. From Eternals, Dane Whitman/Black Knight. From She-Hulk, I could watch at least an episode devoted to the whacky antics of Nikki (her intern) and Pug (that one decent dude at her law office). From Black Panther, I think I'd rather watch a show about the Dora Milaje (specifically Akoye) more than Shuri (or hell, find a way to bring Erik Killmonger back, he was electric!).
As someone who's always been a big fan of B and C listers, I agree with all of that. And I feel like that was a missed opportunity with Marvel TV. Put the big folks in the big films and do random spinoff stuff with the series. I mean, that was basically what they did with Agatha All Along and it was freakin' brilliant.
From Hawkeye, I found myself weirdly intrigued by not just the new Widow, who, of course, was amazing, but by Jack Duquyne (sp?) / the Swordsman! I would totally be down for a swashbuckling hero(ish) dude in his 50s!
Did you see the new Daredevil series? Jack Duquesne appears there... although he doesn't do much, he's clearly set up for a return in the next season and will likely do some heroing.
Oh, and hey, as long as we're wishing, from Agent Carter, the even-more-OG-than-Natasha Widow, Dotty!
As the president of the Dottie Underwood fan club, as always, I would kill for this. Possibly literally. *innocent smile* But seriously... she had such a great story and I wish we could have gotten some closure on her. Also, I want a scene with 95 year old Dottie and Yelena calling her "grandma."
For this movie's new characters, the Serpent was interesting. That actor is always great, though! Since the Serpent Society has a bunch of 'just tech' folk, or cybernetically enhanced types, it wouldn't be a far stretch at all to have this 'Serpent' end up forming his own 'Serpent Solutions' with (mostly tech) enhanced individuals...
There is definitely more potential there. I know there are folks at Marvel who have wanted to do Cap vs Serpent Society for years. I think the original Cap 3 was supposed to be that, not Civil War (and I think would have been better for it. Civil War if it had happened at all should have been an Avengers film).
And a tiny waif as Ruth Bat-Seraph. Interesting to make her an (ex) widow!
I think that was in part a choice to avoid real world political statements about Israel. But I agree, a loyal Black Widow as head of security is as good as you're going to get.
Also cool to see more of Jaoquin Torres/the new Falcon. And he's from Miami, and I know it's a stereotype that every brown kid from Miami is Cuban-American, but I wonder if he's Cuban-American? :) Not a whole ton of Cubans in the superhero biz.
I'd like to see more of him too. The comics version is Mexican-American but he is from Arizona. They indeed might be making him Cuban.
No sign of Eli Bradley tho, Isaiah's grandson, seen ever so briefly in F&tWS, and part of the never-ever-EVER-to-be-seen Young Avengers, it seems. (Cassie and Kate are gonna be, like, *30* by the time they get around to introducing Teddy or teen Tommy?)
I was surprised they didn't bring Eli. I suppose the movie was just too full of stuff happening I guess, but I wish they'd been able to make that happen. Especially with all that was happening to Isaiah. It would make sense for Eli to show up and try to do his own thing to help his grandfather and then get caught up in everything.
With the mention of Ms Marvel in Daredevil, it seems like they are still planning to build up to Young Avengers, but I agree, it's taking them so long none of them are going to be "Young" anymore!
To be honest, my problems with the movie are the same as my problems with the MCU in general: my favorite character is the Hulk, and all his classic stories get chopped apart and given to other heroes.
It is an absolutely fair criticism that major parts of it feel like an Incredible Hulk plot handed to Sam Wilson. All the while Sam doesn't even call Bruce on the phone to ask for advice.
I don't think that by itself makes it a *bad* movie in its entirety, however. People talk about the film like it was one of the worst things that came out of the MCU. I think it's still head and shoulders above a number of Marvel films (Thor 2 for example). Especially as there is a lot that makes still makes the movie an appropriate Captain America film: themes of fighting for ideals versus the reality of government corruption, etc.
As someone who got into the MCU because of Black Widow, I certainly can feel sympathetic to those who feel like their favorite char didn't get a fair shake in many movies.

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captain yesterday wrote:I mean, they're called super heroes for a reason.
Just saying.
You mean except for the super villains, right?
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DeathQuaker wrote:FWIW, I thought the film's action scenes make very clear if you pay attention that what saves his butt most of the time is the vibranium suit....I concur. And, FWIW, my original comment was directed at the many parts of the movie that aren't covered under the "most of the time" exception. They did the same thing with Natasha in her eponymous movie, though one might argue some sort of super serum like conditioning as a Red Room initiate.
I mean, it's not like I'm complaining "Cap never had wings! WTH!" I just want some consistency in the telling of these stories and I'm even allowing for multiverse shenanigans. Clint got his clock cleaned a time or two through the movies. Preternatural accuracy was his calling card and, who knows, maybe he's a quasi mutant.
Tony's a normie but then his suit, after the first one, is basically magi-tech.
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Freehold DM wrote:You don't need the serum to kick ass.
He also has a super suit.
You do against Red Hulk! I mean, one should.
Yeah, I noticed a lack of suit from the neck up. That might be a design oversight.
Grace agrees, and I always trust the word of a sassy New Yorker who brings the receipts.
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That said, I'm sure there are some legit reasons to not like this movie.
And even some purely 'I dun like it' reasons, like my reason for not liking The Princess Bride, which every one of my friends regard me as insane for not loving. :)
You mean...I'm not alone?
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And also Natasha (and Yelena) got plenty of flack for surviving big damage etc. A lot of people b@$$%ed about that in the Black Widow film particularly, even when the film went out of their way to show things like how Natasha is doing stuff to break a fall, etc. And I think it's for similar reasons: GIrLs CAn'T SuPeRhErO.
A girl superhero?!?
That makes about as much sense as a black sheriff!
Gives DQ Super Soldier serum, waits patiently for societal change

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This is true. Although as one of Captain Carter's biggest fans, I do agree with some fan complaints that by the end of What If ?! she was getting overused. (But many specific complaints about Captain Carter are ridiculous.) Marvel should have just let the production team make the Captain Carter spinoff show they obviously wanted to make, and done more/different stuff with What If ?! and everyone would have won.
Wholehearted agreement.
But you know that these things happen sometimes. The project you have is the project you have.

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DeathQuaker wrote:
And also Natasha (and Yelena) got plenty of flack for surviving big damage etc. A lot of people b@$$%ed about that in the Black Widow film particularly, even when the film went out of their way to show things like how Natasha is doing stuff to break a fall, etc. And I think it's for similar reasons: GIrLs CAn'T SuPeRhErO.A girl superhero?!?
That makes about as much sense as a black sheriff!
Gives DQ Super Soldier serum, waits patiently for societal change
That would either be a very good or a very bad idea.
But if the serum kicks in, I'll be your sidekick, Freehold.

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Set wrote:DeathQuaker wrote:Eh, it has a black Captain America. It's gonna get hate. Somehow Sam without the serum can't be as effective at hero-ing as Natasha or Daredevil (also without the serum), for... reasons. :/
It was a perfectly good movie. One where the general backlash perplexes me.Well, yes. Obviously there's a ton of noisy bigots who have nothing better to do than try to discredit a film because it has a black lead.
I've just seen reactions to it where people are just meh about it and it doesn't seem to be coming from the same folks who are just bigots.
And also Natasha (and Yelena) got plenty of flack for surviving big damage etc. A lot of people b%+$%ed about that in the Black Widow film particularly, even when the film went out of their way to show things like how Natasha is doing stuff to break a fall, etc. And I think it's for similar reasons: GIrLs CAn'T SuPErHeRO. Yes, while Daredevil is always allowed to survive major gunshot wounds etc without a single eyebrow raised.
Rereading this, I feel like this sounds like I'm minimizing the fact that bigots definitely HAVE tried to downplay this movie because it has a Black lead. And I did not intend to do so. That has definitely happened and Sam's gotten maligned and looked over a lot for no other reason than white comic fanboys who see a more diverse MCU and interpret it as seeing themselves disappearing rather than as the world getting bigger. And they need to get the f!## over themselves and their insecurity.
Just noting that flavor of fandom definitely have done that to other characters besides Sam who are either not white or male. That doesn't make it okay that it's happened for the umpteenth time.

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Freehold DM wrote:DeathQuaker wrote:
And also Natasha (and Yelena) got plenty of flack for surviving big damage etc. A lot of people b@$$%ed about that in the Black Widow film particularly, even when the film went out of their way to show things like how Natasha is doing stuff to break a fall, etc. And I think it's for similar reasons: GIrLs CAn'T SuPeRhErO.A girl superhero?!?
That makes about as much sense as a black sheriff!
Gives DQ Super Soldier serum, waits patiently for societal change
That would either be a very good or a very bad idea.
But if the serum kicks in, I'll be your sidekick, Freehold.
That means a lot to me, DQ.
Also, FH&DQ sounds like a VERY 90s indie comic/early 00s webcomic.

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DeathQuaker wrote:Freehold DM wrote:DeathQuaker wrote:
And also Natasha (and Yelena) got plenty of flack for surviving big damage etc. A lot of people b@$$%ed about that in the Black Widow film particularly, even when the film went out of their way to show things like how Natasha is doing stuff to break a fall, etc. And I think it's for similar reasons: GIrLs CAn'T SuPeRhErO.A girl superhero?!?
That makes about as much sense as a black sheriff!
Gives DQ Super Soldier serum, waits patiently for societal change
That would either be a very good or a very bad idea.
But if the serum kicks in, I'll be your sidekick, Freehold.
That means a lot to me, DQ.
Also, FH&DQ sounds like a VERY 90s indie comic/early 00s webcomic.
Oooh, can we have a crossover with Hothead Paisan?