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Teaser trailer released today.
Looks good, despite the super weird release date for a movie like this. I've heard of counter programming, but this seems like it would do better the week before or after without direct competition with romantic comedies.
With this and the Agatha All Along trailer dropping this week, I wonder what big new drops will happen in a few weeks at SDCC.
I think it will do very well if only because it I think Mackie and Ford are bring their big boy acting shoes for this one.
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I'm on board!
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I saw several articles yesterday about this movie once again being sent for rework and possible reshoots after another negative test screening. If that's true, I'd be curious to see the effect on the budget, which was already reportedly somewhere around $375 million. I'm not sure I can see this movie ever making money.
I will watch.
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I saw several articles yesterday about this movie once again being sent for rework and possible reshoots after another negative test screening. If that's true, I'd be curious to see the effect on the budget, which was already reportedly somewhere around $375 million. I'm not sure I can see this movie ever making money.
You mind sharing a source? I don't doubt you, I just haven't seen it in the corners of the internet I tend to lurk in and am curious to see what was being said.
I am worried indeed thus may be true...
One of the things which hurt the Falcon and the Winter Soldier AND Secret Invasion were reshoots that Marvel/Disney wanted to do because they had plotlines that coincidentally echoed events in real life... TFATWS had a pandemic/vaccine storyline which they changed because of COVID, and Secret Invasion originally had a stronger plotline focusing on them orchestrating a Russian invasion of another country (or something like that), and then Russia invaded Ukraine IRL. IMO the rewrites in both cases severely weakened the stories they had (although in the case of Secret Invasion especially it was not the only reason it was largely disappointing), and created loose ends (frex, there was some stuff with medicines and sick people in TFATWS that felt extremely weak because they cut out half of the plot, and a lot of the motivations of the Flag Smashers would have made more sense if they'd left it in).
I think fearing backlash over the similarity of the plots was a stupid reason to rewrite the stories--especially in the case of TFATWS. I struggle to imagine something that was resonant with COVID turning off a majority of viewers; indeed, done right it could help the audience engage through an event people around the world can relate to. People who would be turned off by it would likely be turned off by other silly things in Marvel shows anyway. It's weird to me that's where they'd draw the line.
Anyway, without going into details that might violate Paizo's no politics rule, I think it's safe to say that American politics are increasingly divisive, and will be only increasingly with the upcoming change in presidential administration. The plot of Brave New World involves a president of the United States turning into a literal monster and no doubt touches on other political issues.
Rumors of bad screenings aside, I worry they may be wanting to do rewrites for similar reasons, to tone down the "politics" of the story. Which will likely, as with their prior efforts, weaken the plot and gut it of anything making it worth watching.
The best Captain America movie to date IMO was The Winter Soldier, hands down. And part of why it was so good was they were not afraid of digging into the political thriller aspects. They had senators and UN representatives being controlled by Nazis in that one. They went there, and it was good. The crux of Civil War likewise was asking about where government oversight should start and end and how easily people can be manipulated with ideas of things like terrorist threats.
Moreover, Captain America comics-wise has often dealt with deeply political issues. It's kind of part of the point of the character (whether Steve or Sam or whoever). If the writers/producers are too afraid to deal with politics, then they should let the franchise die because they can't handle it.
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One of the first articles I saw about it was a few weeks ago:
Captain America: Brave New World Is Actually Getting Even More Reshoots
I didn’t put much into it at the time because it seemed like just one actor.
This site I’m not familiar with, but it was more recent when a friend shared it with me:
Marvel Calls for More Reshoots on ‘Captain America: Brave New World’ After Failed Test Screening
I’ve also seen some YouTube videos with people talking about it. Since I didn’t actually search for that kind of thing on YouTube, I can only imagine it showed up in my feed because I was talking about it around my phone. Which, in and of itself, is kind of creepy.
I saw several articles yesterday about this movie once again being sent for rework and possible reshoots after another negative test screening. If that's true, I'd be curious to see the effect on the budget, which was already reportedly somewhere around $375 million. I'm not sure I can see this movie ever making money.You mind sharing a source? I don't doubt you, I just haven't seen it in the corners of the internet I tend to lurk in and am curious to see what was being said.
I am worried indeed thus may be true...
One of the things which hurt the Falcon and the Winter Soldier AND Secret Invasion were reshoots that Marvel/Disney wanted to do because they had plotlines that coincidentally echoed events in real life...
I heard about that, yes.
Thanks, Aberzombie. Not familiar with the guy who leaked the info but it's interesting to see.
No shade on TFA. Had a lot of great stuff to it, plus much more Hayley Atwell!
In terms of writing and pacing, I do think TWS was the better film--which is to say, "better" and "favorite" do not have to be the same thing. I think TWS balanced action with giving food for thought and providing deeper character development. By all means TFA I agree was a lot more *fun*--and it is very important for comic book movies to have fun.
Im just waiting on my New Warriors series.
Oh wait...
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I know, I know. I usually say "I liked it" even when others thought it was a giant flaming bucket of donkey droppings. And some of the movies I didn't like--Endgame, for example, I have a lot of issues with--a lot of people do. YMMV, etc.
So.
I liked it. And moreover, it was a LOT more coherent, thematically consistent, and inspiring than I was expecting it to be. And it is the best work I've seen Anthony Mackie do, and I've always thought him to be a strong actor. Harrison Ford of course often steals the show, and really does a tremendous job of playing a Ross who is heavily nuanced and human and yet still correctly an asshat. I really liked the action scenes.
It is, like many Marvel films, about 20 minutes too long, and the pacing has strong problems through the middle, particularly when the script begins to rely on a lot of "as you know, Bob" exposition dialogue to catch the audience up on what is happening and why. The movie needed a vastly better script editor.
It also wants to be the Winter Soldier too hard but doesn't have an adequate twist to make it work like that. The fact that they have many parallel characters is weird--Sam is Steve, Joaquin is Sam (with a dash of a circumstance assigned to Nick in TWS), Ruth is Nat (painfully so; she's outright just a random Black Widow inserted into the story for reasons and looks and sounds like Nat), Sam's friend at the White House is sort of Maria, etc. I'm not sure we needed those parallels. There's a part where the heroes are considered rogue (which resolves too soon and too easily). A writer needed to stick to formula just a little less.
But, this is not to say it is fully formulaic. They actually play a bit with the act structures to good effect. There is of course a big boss fight at the end but it is at an appropriate scale and doesn't feel badly inserted and there are no skybeams or other nonsense. It is nonetheless a solid superhero-meets-political/war-thriller and appropriately timed. There is a really cool aerial battle, as there should be when the main character and his sidekick are all about flying. I really like how they write Sam, both with his physical skills as a soldier and flying suit navigator AND with his insightfulness on human nature and history as a counselor. Joaquin is a good foil and I hope we see him again. The relationships built are good and I'd like to see most of the characters we meet here again.
My only other nitpick is... and I usually am NOT a person who b@$~$es about "why isn't [Marvel character not in the film] referenced?" because I accept it's impossible to include everyone and cludgy to mention the in dialogue... but there are several characters involved in this story where it would seem like a no-brainer for Sam to call Bruce Banner for advice. I didn't need to see him show up, but it's weird that he isn't even called. We can assume that this story takes place around the same time as She-Hulk, when Bruce went off planet, but a "Bruce is off-planet, so I can't ask him to help," would be a useful throwaway line to indicate that, in spite of my complaint about there being too much exposition. But that is a really small complaint.
I also thought it was worth seeing on the big screen, especially for the aerial battle.
There is a post-credits scene that is pretty meh. You can wait for it, but you won't miss much of anything if you need to go pee.
Not how I would spend $400M.... just say'n.
But the official number, given to us by people who couldn't possibly have any incentive to be less than forthcoming on the subject, is only supposed to be $180M.
At least, that's what the deposed Nigerian prince who wants my credit card information tells me.
I may watch.
If they rework it in the manner of Snow White I'll give it a hard pass.
Honestly, I think at this point they should just have made a Falcon and the Winter Soldier movie. No need to "update" the characters or presentation - just give us Bucky and Sam and I'm all in! Oh please! Oh please!
If they'd only listened to me. Sigh....
IMDB says it's a "6.1" and I concur, as usual. There is little in the way of verisimilitude at Marvel (or Star Wars for that matter) anymore and it pulls me right out of the story every single time. The acting was fine, or perhaps outstanding given what they had to work with. The plot (was there a plot? maybe parts of three plots strung together?) is, as someone said, 'toothlessly topical'.
Captain Falcon has no serum to make him go, yet he goes just as hard as the OG Captain ever did. How?
It's bang on for a typical MCU bash-up runtime yet it does seem at least 20 minutes too long. How?
Have you seen the trailers? Then, in essence, you've seen the movie. Why?
Not how I would spend $400M.... just say'n.
You don't need the serum to kick ass.
He also has a super suit.
I know, I know. I usually say "I liked it" even when others thought it was a giant flaming bucket of donkey droppings. And some of the movies I didn't like--Endgame, for example, I have a lot of issues with--a lot of people do. YMMV, etc.
So.
I liked it. And moreover, it was a LOT more coherent, thematically consistent, and inspiring than I was expecting it to be. And it is the best work I've seen Anthony Mackie do, and I've always thought him to be a strong actor. Harrison Ford of course often steals the show, and really does a tremendous job of playing a Ross who is heavily nuanced and human and yet still correctly an asshat. I really liked the action scenes.
It is, like many Marvel films, about 20 minutes too long, and the pacing has strong problems through the middle, particularly when the script begins to rely on a lot of "as you know, Bob" exposition dialogue to catch the audience up on what is happening and why. The movie needed a vastly better script editor.
It also wants to be the Winter Soldier too hard but doesn't have an adequate twist to make it work like that. The fact that they have many parallel characters is weird--Sam is Steve, Joaquin is Sam (with a dash of a circumstance assigned to Nick in TWS), Ruth is Nat (painfully so; she's outright just a random Black Widow inserted into the story for reasons and looks and sounds like Nat), Sam's friend at the White House is sort of Maria, etc. I'm not sure we needed those parallels. There's a part where the heroes are considered rogue (which resolves too soon and too easily). A writer needed to stick to formula just a little less.
But, this is not to say it is fully formulaic. They actually play a bit with the act structures to good effect. There is of course a big boss fight at the end but it is at an appropriate scale and doesn't feel badly inserted and there are no skybeams or other nonsense. It is nonetheless a solid superhero-meets-political/war-thriller and appropriately timed. There is a really cool aerial battle, as there...
I'm glad it has the DQ Seal Of Approval. Which looks more like a friendly dog, but whatever.
All I need is the Amby Gator of Approval and I'll see it in theatres.
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You don't need the serum to kick ass.
He also has a super suit.
Indeed. FWIW, I thought the film's action scenes make very clear if you pay attention that what saves his butt most of the time is the vibranium suit, which he uses very well to absorb and redirect kinetic energy, which is what vibranium does. The rest of what he does is what you expect from a "normal human hero" in the Marvel universe (which means he's still ridiculously "peak" for a peak human, but no more so than Matt Murdock or Natasha or Clint or Yelena or Melinda May or the other human-strength level characters in the MCU and its expanded universe).
I mean, they're called super heroes for a reason.
Just saying.