| Deriven Firelion |
Is a rogue with Disappearance and Blank Slate really as brutal as it seems?
I cast this spell after getting Blank Slate in a dual class rogue/magus game and it was like I was unlocatable. Nothing could challenge this invisibility other than a Seek check just to locate the square you are in and you're still invisible or a non-divination spell like faerie fire hitting you. It works against all senses and blank slate blocks nearly every possible divination locate you.
How do some DMs deal with this combination?
| Finoan |
My initial thought is that it is good, but it isn't that good.
Nothing could challenge this invisibility other than a Seek check just to locate the square you are in and you're still invisible or a non-divination spell like faerie fire hitting you.
Basically that relegates creatures with special senses back to the low level of play where PCs are running around with stealth checks and maybe a 2nd or 4th Rank Invisibility spell against creatures that don't have special senses.
But I haven't played a lot at high levels, so I may very well be completely off-base on this one.
| Deriven Firelion |
My initial thought is that it is good, but it isn't that good.
Deriven Firelion wrote:Nothing could challenge this invisibility other than a Seek check just to locate the square you are in and you're still invisible or a non-divination spell like faerie fire hitting you.Basically that relegates creatures with special senses back to the low level of play where PCs are running around with stealth checks and maybe a 2nd or 4th Rank Invisibility spell against creatures that don't have special senses.
But I haven't played a lot at high levels, so I may very well be completely off-base on this one.
Disappearance seems to work against every single precise or imprecise sense.
| Darksol the Painbringer |
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Is a rogue with Disappearance and Blank Slate really as brutal as it seems?
I cast this spell after getting Blank Slate in a dual class rogue/magus game and it was like I was unlocatable. Nothing could challenge this invisibility other than a Seek check just to locate the square you are in and you're still invisible or a non-divination spell like faerie fire hitting you. It works against all senses and blank slate blocks nearly every possible divination locate you.
How do some DMs deal with this combination?
There isn't a whole lot, but there's a few things:
1. Make yourself impossible to hurt/damage. Fly away from them, throw up an Anti-Magic Field, Heightened True Seeing, etc. This will make them either waste time/resources to get to you, or it will make their tactic effectively pointless.
2. AoE Attacks. You might not know the precise square, but you can still guess the area they might be in and snuff them out that way. If you can nuke the entire room (all without hurting yourself), then their invisibility doesn't matter there, either. Bonus points if you affect the other party members too, but I can understand that being tough since tactical players make doing this tactic not very smart.
3. Create consequences for attacking you. Fire Shield et. al. are good examples of this, since these do damage without you needing to target the invisible person. The stronger the better; plenty of enemies in higher levels have such abilities on their person, so make sure to use them.
4. Put more pressure on their allies; just because you can't deal with the invisible character doesn't mean you can't force more punishment on the other PCs (that would have otherwise gone to the invisible PC). Downed PCs hurts the party's action economy bad, and if the invisible PC cares about their party members, they will spend actions getting them back up instead of killing your monsters, which gives your monsters more longevity.