Dromaar (Half-Orc)

[Creator of Darknoth Chronicles]

Using the REMASTERED RULES, does a Dromaar (half-orc) gain an orcish heritage at character creation? The rules say.....

"Orcish strength emboldens your bloodline, you have a green tinge to your skin and OTHER INDICATORS of orc heritage. You gain the orc trait, and low light vision,. When you gain an ancestry feat, you can choose from dromaar and orc feats in addition to those from your ancestry."

Does the phrase "OTHER INDICATORS" mean they have an orc heritage or does is it just referencing non-mechanical features such as appearance?

[Sir Belmont the Valiant, II]

Creator of Darknoth Chronicles wrote:

...Does the phrase "OTHER INDICATORS" mean they have an orc heritage or does is it just referencing non-mechanical features such as appearance?

Appearance. If you look at a picture of Captain Calisro Benarry, you will see that she also has pointed ears and small fangs.

See the picture here

[MEATSHED]

They don't get an orc heritage (as their heritage is Dromaar), the other indicators is appearance related stuff, which is why its paired with the green tinge.

[Bluemagetim]

yeah basically if you pick Dromar or Aiuvaran as your heritage, you get the trait you get lowlight vision and it doesnt upgrade to darkvision if your base ancestry already has it, and you get access to the associated ancestry feats.

I felt a little underwhelmed with this too. But access to two different lists of ancestry feats is something you would need to take a general feat to get otherwise.

[Creator of Darknoth Chronicles]

Thank you.

[Ventnor]

Bluemagetim wrote:

yeah basically if you pick Dromar or Aiuvaran as your heritage, you get the trait you get lowlight vision and it doesnt upgrade to darkvision if your base ancestry already has it, and you get access to the associated ancestry feats.

I felt a little underwhelmed with this too. But access to two different lists of ancestry feats is something you would need to take a general feat to get otherwise.

Essentially, your Heritage is giving you the Adopted Ancestry general feat right at first level.

[Red Griffyn]

Ventnor wrote:

Bluemagetim wrote:

yeah basically if you pick Dromar or Aiuvaran as your heritage, you get the trait you get low-light vision and it doesn't upgrade to darkvision if your base ancestry already has it, and you get access to the associated ancestry feats.

I felt a little underwhelmed with this too. But access to two different lists of ancestry feats is something you would need to take a general feat to get otherwise.

Essentially, your Heritage is giving you the Adopted Ancestry general feat right at first level.

It also still leaves open the adoption general feat option for another ancestry if you desperately needed/wanted to squeeze another ancestry feat into your plan. I can imagine wanting a certain ancestry for a weapon/stat array/feat. For example, you could be a fleshwarp dromaar for easy access to the L5/L9 'add 1d4 persistent damage to your unarmed strikes on a crit' feats and still get adopted by dwarves for the L9 toughness equivalent feat/L13 telluric power feat for more damage, etc.

I could see someone double down on an intimidation build as a hobgoblin dromaar that gives a non-adoption way to easily get remorseless lash/agonizing rebuke/mask of pain (needs ancestral paragon to pick up the L1 mask feat). Put that on a rogue so it can demoralize for flatfooted (dread striker), use reaction to drop 2d6 to 4d6 + 2D4 to 3D4 mental damage, and then strike/hit to ensure it can't go below frightened 1 on its turn.

There is a better use case for Aiuvaran because it allows feats like elf avatism (Ancient Elf) on races that have lifespans in the 100+ timeframe (so a dwarf/gnome/ghoran/leshy/etc. can swing that free L2 multiclass dedication feat which can really help in a non-FA game).

There will be many niche cases where it is good to take because the elf set of feats are really good (ageless patience for example are amazing). The orc ones less so, but they have their use cases.

[shroudb]

Unlike adopted, it also lifts the restriction about picking up ancestry feats that are dependent on the physical attributes of an ancestry, while adopted specifically disallows those.