Duplicate foe VS spells


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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Since the duplicate foe spell says that the duplicate is not a living creature, and because nearly all hostile target spells target creatures, does that mean the duplicate cannot be targeted by such spells?

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Duplicate Foe wrote:
The duplicate is unstable, so each turn after it takes its actions, it loses 4d6 Hit Points. It's not a living creature, and it can never regain its lost Hit Points in any way.

Clearly it is talking about being a living creature as far as being healed. Not for being the target of spells.

Also, the target for many spells is 'creature', not 'living creature'. You can target constructs with spells too and they aren't living creatures.


You can't go too far down that path or you end up with invulnerable illusions, and unhitable objects. The GM has to insert some common sense here.

There is a difference between creatures and living creatures.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Gortle wrote:

You can't go too far down that path or you end up with invulnerable illusions, and unhitable objects. The GM has to insert some common sense here.

There is a difference between creatures and living creatures.

It can go the other way too. If it's a creature, rather than a magical effect, then it opens up a whole can of moral and mechanical worms.


Ravingdork wrote:
Gortle wrote:

You can't go too far down that path or you end up with invulnerable illusions, and unhitable objects. The GM has to insert some common sense here.

There is a difference between creatures and living creatures.

It can go the other way too. If it's a creature, rather than a magical effect, then it opens up a whole can of moral and mechanical worms.

You are saying that as though it is a done deal and enforceable by the rules. Why does it have to be some sort of moral quandry?

A magically created duplicate simulacrum isn't any more of a real creature with rights, feelings, and moral obligations than a summoned creature or a construct.

You certainly could run the spell that way - with the moral quandaries of putting the creature in danger by command. You could with summoning spells too. Don't constructs have rights? At least some types of them?

Again, mechanically the magical effect of Duplicate Foe isn't a living creature for purposes of healing spells. It is a creature for purposes of targeting. Don't read any more into it than that - the rules don't enforce it. Each table can flavor it as they see fit from there.

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