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First of all, the Transcend ability: It's unclear whether you can pick up and deposit just one ally during this activity, or multiple allies. It says "at any point you are adjacent to a willing ally...", which doesn't really clarify how many times you can do it. The ability is called "Bear Allies' Burdens and the flavor summary uses the word "allies", both plural, but it's still ambiguous.
Second and more loosely, let's talk about the Immanence ability. At 1st level, let's say I have a +4 Strength modifier, the Hefty Hauler feat, and my spark in my Skybearer's Belt. That puts my unencumbered capacity at 15 bulk and my max capacity at (checks math) 24 Bulk. (Which also means I can drag an object of up to 48 Bulk outside of combat.) At this point, the bulk rating of various environmental objects becomes very pertinent. As a rough reference, we can surmise from the Core Rulebook that a piano is about 16 bulk. How heavy is this cabinet? How about that boulder? Some more example bulks for heavy objects would be great. Also, what's the maximum bulk I can throw, and how far can I throw it?
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Bulk is hard. It's measurement isn't exactly linear. 1 Bulk is 5-10 lbs, but a medium creature is only 6 bulk despite the fact that your average human would be around 150-180lbs. Large creatures are 12 bulk. Huge creatures are 24 bulk. Gargantuan creatures are 48 bulk.
For scale, a Trebuchet is considered Gargantuan, so in that instance your character could drag around a Trebuchet. If you had the Enlarge ability from Warped by Rage, you could actively carry it around as your bulk limit doubles. EDIT: Actually, Warped by Rage makes you Huge not large, so your bulk limit would quadruple. You could carry around a trebuchet with minimal effort.
Though, where are you getting the drag value? I remember things like that from older editions but I haven't been able to find that in 2e rules.
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FlySkyHigh wrote: Though, where are you getting the drag value? I remember things like that from older editions but I haven't been able to find that in 2e rules. I don't have my physical Core Rulebook handy, but here's a link to the rule on AoN
Apparently dragged objects are treated as having half their normal bulk.
LastFootnote wrote: FlySkyHigh wrote: Though, where are you getting the drag value? I remember things like that from older editions but I haven't been able to find that in 2e rules. I don't have my physical Core Rulebook handy, but here's a link to the rule on AoN
Apparently dragged objects are treated as having half their normal bulk. Ah excellent, thank you. I'd tried searching "Drag" on AoN and easytools and got nothing, apparently I wasn't specific enough.
But anyway, back to your original question, as a GM I'd likely just end up making judgement calls based on the scale we have available. A Trebuchet is 48 bulk. A boulder thrown by a trebuchet? Probably weighs about as much as a large creature, so 12 bulk. How far can you throw it? Heck if I know. But given that barbarians have a feat for that exact purpose, based on the rules you couldn't do it at all.
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Have they clarified if Skybearer's Belt even improves the Exemplar's Bulk Capacity? RAW it talks about allies in your aura, and you are not your own ally, so it shouldn't by RAW improve your own Bulk Capacity. Even though that is completely at odds with the flavor of the ability.
The flavor of it not working on you is weird, and if you rely on the ability, you encumber allies in combat if you do anything other than huddle up and ignore all your other ikons.
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QuidEst wrote: The flavor of it not working on you is weird, and if you rely on the ability, you encumber allies in combat if you do anything other than huddle up and ignore all your other ikons. This is a super funny take I hadn't even considered.
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Sky bearer's belt is weird because its the only one to give no combat benefit to allies
It doesn't even give the titan wrestler feat that it gives to the wearer which would itself also not be very strong because most allies who are going to wrestle would have that feat.
It could at least have given a status bonus to grapples, trips and shoves.
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QuidEst wrote: The flavor of it not working on you is weird, and if you rely on the ability, you encumber allies in combat if you do anything other than huddle up and ignore all your other ikons. So like, I have to assume the intent here is not to enable your allies to lug around more equipment. By adding 8 to each ally's max bulk limit, I have to assume the intent is to allow you (because I have to assume it's meant to work on you too) and your allies to move things around the battlefield. That's the only thing I can come up with. And if this is the intent, I think it's really cool in theory. In practice, I think it runs up against some issues. One is the GM deciding on the fly how much bulk environmental objects are, which I talked about in my original post.
Another is the incongruity between bestowing a huge amount of carrying strength but not any other kind of strength. Because the line there is quite blurry. Can I lift this portcullis? Normally that might be an Athletics check, but this Immanence ability doesn't help with that.
Finally, its utility really depends on the GM (or module) creating interesting battlefields with potentially moveable obstacles. Without that, the characters are limited to perhaps moving each other around, Disgaea-style. Which to be fair, is more or less what the Transcendence ability gives you an improved version of.
I think the aim of the Immanence for allies is out of combat use : carry people, carry the hoard, have more riders on mounts ...
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