Create Demiplane (non-lesser) and Genesis question

[Krulton]

Hello all,
I am seeking an official ruling or general consensus regarding these two spells.

Create Demiplane (Mid-level and greater) has this rule:
This spell functions as create lesser demiplane, except the area is larger and you can add more features to the plane. You can use this spell to expand a demiplane you created with lesser create demiplane (you do not need to create an entirely new plane using this spell), in which case it has a duration of 1 day/level. Alternatively, when cast within your demiplane, you may add (or remove) one of the following features to your demiplane with each casting of the spell, in which case it has an instantaneous duration.

Which has two parts: 1) Expanding the size of the Demiplane 2) Adding features to the Demiplane

The First part (Expanding) has a caveat of it must be the demiplane made by a casting of Create Demiplane. Therefore, you can't use it to expand a demiplane made by Genesis.

The Second part (Adding Features) has no such limiter only that it be cast on a demiplane you own.

The English language is kinda silly when it comes to this stuff so RAW it looks like Create Demiplane can add features to a demiplane created by Genesis.

My question is:

What is the RAI of Create Demiplane in regards to adding features to a demiplane not made by a Create Demiplane spell?

[zza ni]

i'd say the 2nd variant of the spell work on any damiplane one control.
doesn't matter how or why. you made it, found it and never gave it back or won it in a poker game. if you are it's controller and you cast create demiplane or it's greater version then you can use it to alter your plane's features as per the spell.

[Mysterious Stranger]

From what I can see Genesis seems to be from 3.5 not Pathfinder. When I looked up the spell on the d20 PFSRD it shows the source to be the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting with a copyright of September 2008. The Core rule book came out in August 2009. The Create Demi plane line of spells came out in Ultimate Magic which was published in June of 2011.

My recommendation would be that Genesis is not a valid spell and to use the Create Demiplane line of spells. That is what I would do in a campaign I was running.

[Taja the Barbarian]

Mysterious Stranger wrote:

From what I can see Genesis seems to be from 3.5 not Pathfinder. When I looked up the spell on the d20 PFSRD it shows the source to be the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting with a copyright of September 2008. The Core rule book came out in August 2009. The Create Demi plane line of spells came out in Ultimate Magic which was published in June of 2011.

My recommendation would be that Genesis is not a valid spell and to use the Create Demiplane line of spells. That is what I would do in a campaign I was running.

Yes, it looks like Genesis was published a year before the PF1 Core Rulebook was published and has never been republished, which probably means it isn't intended to still be an actual spell (the 'XP cost to cast' is a bit of a giveaway as that is a D&D3.x mechanic that PF dropped).

[zza ni]

you guys missing the point of the question.
he brought the Genesis spell as a way to control a demiplane, beside the create demiplane spells, and asked:
if you control one, by any other means, can you still use the create demiplane spell's 2nd use method to change a plane's features. to which i answered that since the 2nd use doesn't mention any limit on how one got to control said plane, it should work fine.

[Krulton]

Mysterious Stranger wrote:

From what I can see Genesis seems to be from 3.5 not Pathfinder. When I looked up the spell on the d20 PFSRD it shows the source to be the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting with a copyright of September 2008. The Core rule book came out in August 2009. The Create Demi plane line of spells came out in Ultimate Magic which was published in June of 2011.

My recommendation would be that Genesis is not a valid spell and to use the Create Demiplane line of spells. That is what I would do in a campaign I was running.

Ah... I see my error.

I use PFSRD for my searches because it provides better results in Google when looking stuff up. I usually have to type out 'archives of nethys' completely to get pathfinder results out of Google so I go with the faster 'PFSRD' since it comes up as the first response usually.

At the PFSRD site the spell Genesis does not have an XP component only a material one. If it had I would never have asked since it is clearly not valid anymore.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/g/genesis/