Another Day and Grapple

[Mark Hoover 330]

Elf Unchained Rogue (Scout) 12 in my megadungeon campaign. PCs just leveled to 12 and the PC took the Another Day Advanced Rogue Talent:

Another Day wrote:

Prerequisite: Advanced talents

Benefit: Once per day, when the rogue would be reduced to 0 or fewer hit points by a melee attack, she can take a 5-foot step as an immediate action. If the movement takes her out of the reach of the attack, she takes no damage from the attack. The rogue is staggered for 1 round on her next turn.

If a foe attacks the rogue and hits her with a melee attack that also has Grab, leading to the rogue being Grappled by said attack, and also that attack would cause the rogue to be reduced to 0 HP, would the rogue move to avoid?

Second question: if the rogue is already IN a grapple, fails to break free, then takes damage as part of the grapple action that would reduce her to 0 HP, would she move as an Immediate action?

I need to get these questions answered as we have game day tomorrow and I have grappling undead on tap. Thanks!

[Belafon]

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

If a foe attacks the rogue and hits her with a melee attack that also has Grab, leading to the rogue being Grappled by said attack, and also that attack would cause the rogue to be reduced to 0 HP, would the rogue move to avoid?

If I'm understanding this correctly, the rogue would be reduced to 0 HP by the damage from the melee attack. If that's the case, she could take a 5-foot step. As long as she ends outside the reach of the attacker that effectively makes the attack a "miss" so the attacker would not have a chance to grab.

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Second question: if the rogue is already IN a grapple, fails to break free, then takes damage as part of the grapple action that would reduce her to 0 HP, would she move as an Immediate action?

The grapple prevents her from taking a 5-foot step, so she could not use Another Day.

[Mark Hoover 330]

Belafon wrote:

Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

If a foe attacks the rogue and hits her with a melee attack that also has Grab, leading to the rogue being Grappled by said attack, and also that attack would cause the rogue to be reduced to 0 HP, would the rogue move to avoid?

If I'm understanding this correctly, the rogue would be reduced to 0 HP by the damage from the melee attack. If that's the case, she could take a 5-foot step. As long as she ends outside the reach of the attacker that effectively makes the attack a "miss" so the attacker would not have a chance to grab.

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Second question: if the rogue is already IN a grapple, fails to break free, then takes damage as part of the grapple action that would reduce her to 0 HP, would she move as an Immediate action?

The grapple prevents her from taking a 5-foot step, so she could not use Another Day.

You're correct on your understanding of question 1 and both your answers were what I was thinking, but it's good to have the confirmation!

[Claxon]

I concur with Belafon.

If the grapple is a rider effect on a melee attack, and that melee attack would reduce the rogue to 0 damage then instead retroactively the rogue can 5ft step (possibly out of range). If the rogue does move out of reach, then they would not be hit by the attack at all.

If already grappled, the rogue wouldn't be able to 5ft step so while they could attempt to use Another Day it wouldn't benefit them to do so.