Alchemical Crafting, Munitions Crafter, and 0 Level Formulas

[Nuclearspatula]

I've searched and can't locate an answer, so I'm sorry if this has been asked before.

The feat Alchemical Crafting says: "When you select this feat, you immediately add the formulas for four common 1st-level alchemical items to your formula book."

The Munitions Crafter Feat says: "You also gain the Alchemical Crafting feat and four additional formulas for 1st-level alchemical items."

A formula book starts out blank.

Black Powder is an uncommon Level ZERO item.

RAW, how do I get the formula for Black Powder in my book?

Edit: the only thing I care about crafting is normal black powder.

[YuriP]

You can't kkkkkk

But being serious. It's not something need to be so hard:

Core Rulebook pg. 13 4.0 wrote:

Some elements of the game have a rarity to denote how often they’re encountered in the game world. Rarity primarily applies to equipment and magic items, but spells, feats, and other rules elements also have a rarity. If no rarity appears in the traits of an item, spell, or other game element, it is of common rarity. Uncommon items are available only to those who have special training, grew up in a certain culture, or come from a particular part of the world. Rare items are almost impossible to find and are usually given out only by the GM, while unique ones are literally one-of-a-kind in the game. The GM might alter the way rarity works or change the rarity of individual items to suit the story they want to tell.

So you are playing with a gunslinger. Things about firearms including black powder are common to you. You may now be in area where weapons, ammo and black powder aren't common but IMO you basic class training may allow you to consider these kind of items and formulas as common.

[Nuclearspatula]

YuriP wrote:

So you are playing with a gunslinger. Things about firearms including black powder are common to you. You may now be in area where weapons, ammo and black powder aren't common but IMO you basic class training may allow you to consider these kind of items and formulas as common.

The problem isn't just that black powder is uncommon, its that its level zero.

The feat(s) only say that I get level 1 formulas.

EDIT: So do I need to pay for the formula for the black powder?

[YuriP]

I don't see any good reason why you cannot take a level 0 formula using your level 1 "slot" provided by feat.

[HumbleGamer]

Well, a lvl 0 formula is worth 5sp.

I'd probably buy it and get some other lvl 1 recipe.

[Nuclearspatula]

HumbleGamer wrote:

Well, a lvl 0 formula is worth 5sp.

I'd probably buy it and get some other lvl 1 recipe.

I just don't think it makes sense that the "munitions" feat doesn't automatically give you the ability to make munitions.

Also, as an out-of-the-gate, level 1 character that extra 5sp is a lot. In order to get any use from my Way, I have to spend a minimum of 8 gold on my main weapon (I'm trying to build a Triggerbrand)

[Karmagator]

RAI, the feat is absolutely supposed to allow you to get the level 0 ammo formula. RAW you don't get it, but in this case the RAW is clearly wrong.

[HumbleGamer]

Nuclearspatula wrote:

HumbleGamer wrote:

Well, a lvl 0 formula is worth 5sp.

I'd probably buy it and get some other lvl 1 recipe.

I just don't think it makes sense that the "munitions" feat doesn't automatically give you the ability to make munitions.

I guess that's because the perk is not meant to only work with ammunitions, but also bombs.

as for the 5sp... it's 3.33 % of the starting golds... I wouldn't call it "a lot", but I get your point.