Rituals and Counteract - Specifically Consecrate

[Lannister2112]

Okay, I haven’t come across counteract much so here’s a ruling I’ll want to get right.

If there’s a level 12 Magus (her Spell DC is 30 I believe) casts teleport in the area of an enemy Consecrate ritual heightened to 7; then the consecrated area gets a counteract against the teleport, yes?

What is the Consecrate using as it’s modifier, the original caster’s Level (+15) + Prof Rank (Master +6) + Casting Stat (18 --> +4). So its 1d20+25 against DC 30. Did I do that right?

And does the Consecrate an additional +1 for being in the area of the Consecrate?

Thanks in advance

[Eoran]

Yes, the 7th level version of Consecrate includes the same effect as Dimensional Lock, so it would attempt to counteract the Magus's teleport spell. Assuming that they are not one of the permitted followers of the deity.

The Consecrate would make a counteract check. It looks like you have included all of the appropriate values in calculating that bonus value to the counteract check. And yes, it would be compared to the spell DC of the Magus casting teleport.

After the results of that check are known, then you still need to compare the counteract levels in order to determine the final results of the counteract attempt. If the Consecrate spell is successful on the check, it may still fail to counteract the teleport attempt if the teleport spell is too high. But for a level 12 spellcaster that would be nearly impossible. They would be casting the teleport spell at level 6 at the highest and the Consecrate level would be level 7 because that is what it was heightened to. However, if the Consecrate spell gets a failure on the result of the roll, it may still successfully counteract the teleport if the teleport is of lower counteract level. So be sure to check the result table of Counteract.

[Farien]

And I don't think the +1 bonus would apply because it isn't one of the followers making the check. It is the spell itself.

[Lannister2112]

The actual teleportation effect most likely to be used is Dimensional Assault by the Magus. Tho the Sorcerer also has Dimension Door.

And agreed, it shouldn't get it's own +1 bonus.

[Leomund "Leo" Velinznrarikovich]

I am not disagreeing with the points above. I would look at it differently, in regards to the levels of each effect being considered first.

Consecrate is a level 7 effect with a +25 to the counteract check.

Against any spell of level 6 or lower, it would counteract the spell unless the counteract crit fails.
(Which, against a DC 30, would only be on a 1. In fact, unless the DC is 37 or higher, it will only crit fail on a 1)

I approach things from this perspective if I am a GM, so that I know ahead of time and can adjudicate quickly.

[Cordell Kintner]

Leo is mostly correct. Any level 6 or lower teleportation effect will have an extremely high chance of failure with that low of a spell DC. Even a full caster with a DC of 33 at that point would have the same result.

However, unless I'm missing something in the spell, the Counteract Modifier isn't always +25. It depends on the main caster's Spell Attack Modifier.

Lets say a level 13 full caster PC were to perform the ritual. They would only be an Expert, so that's +13 for Level, +4 for Training, and +5 for main stat, bringing the total to +22. If they were level 14, that's +23. At level 15 they become a master, bringing it up to +26, however at that point it would be a level 8 effect, making it even harder to overcome.

Typically, if you don't know or care who the caster was, using a level based DC is good enough, which is 31 for a level 7 spell, +2 for being uncommon, so a +23 modifier. If you have the NPC Caster's stat block though, you should use their spell attack modifier.