
Kiki_Pingu |
I have a question about Savage technologist rage:
"Rage (Ex)
A savage technologist can enter rage as a barbarian, except she gains a morale bonus to Strength and Dexterity instead of Strength and Constitution , and she does not take a penalty to Armor Class. She retains the bonus on Will saving throws. When a barbarian ability would increase the savage technologist’s Strength while raging, it increases her Dexterity instead .
This ability alters rage."
Second bolded part doesn't make sense to me, it even contradicts (changes) first part of the ability which states that the character gets a bonus to strength and dexterity while raging.
I have looked through all the rage powers and found none that increase strength.
Even strength surge doesn't exactly increase strength:
"Benefit: The barbarian adds her barbarian level on one Strength check or combat maneuver check, or to her Combat Maneuver Defense when an opponent attempts a maneuver against her. This power is used as an immediate action."
That only leaves rage, greater rage and mighty rage as barbarian abilities which increase strength while raging.
Does that mean that the barbarian has a morale bonus of +4 to strength +6 to dexterity and +6 to constitution when he reaches greater rage (or just +4 to strength and +6 to dexterity) ?
It seems to me that Savage technologist rage should read: "When a barbarian ability would increase the savage technologist’s Constitution while raging, it increases her Dexterity instead", hence the title of the thread.
I have gone through some of the older threads but there were no concrete answers. Does anyone know how this was handled in PFS?
P.S.
Thanks everyone for answering in my previous thread, I was too focused on work so I forgot to respond, it helped a lot! I do not want to bump the older thread so I wrote this here.

Derklord |

Second bolded part doesn't make sense to me, it even contradicts (changes) first part of the ability which states that the character gets a bonus to strength and dexterity while raging.
No, the second bolded part is about increases to the strength bonus, the first part is about the base bonus. The two are completely seperate.
That only leaves rage, greater rage and mighty rage as barbarian abilities which increase strength while raging. Does that mean that the barbarian has a morale bonus of +4 to strength +6 to dexterity and +6 to constitution when he reaches greater rage (or just +4 to strength and +6 to dexterity) ?
First, yes, the second bolded part is about Greater Rage and Mighty Rage, just worded in a way that proves it against a second archetype replacing those with something similar.
Second, improving something that doesn't exist is impossible, and whenever the game tries to do that, it simply gets ignored.In effect, the rage bonuses are this:
1st-10th level: +4 str, +4 dex
11th-19th level: +4 str, +6 dex
20th: +4 str, +8 dex.
It seems to me that Savage technologist rage should read: "When a barbarian ability would increase the savage technologist’s Constitution while raging, it increases her Dexterity instead", hence the title of the thread.
Possible, although it would make the archetype, which is already extremely good, even stronger. For that reason, it's possible that the above is as intended. Note that Urban Barbarian also has the issue of Greater Rage et al. increasing a bonus that doesn't exist, and offers no clarification. The author of Savage Technologist may have thought that no clarificaiton was needed here, either.

MrCharisma |

In effect, the rage bonuses are this:
1st-10th level: +4 str, +4 dex
11th-19th level: +4 str, +6 dex
20th: +4 str, +8 dex.
Just to clarify this, shouldn't it be:
1st-10th level: +4 str, +4 dex
11th-19th level: +4 str, +6 dex, +2 con
20th: +4 str, +8 dex, +4 con.
Greater/Mighty Rage increase STR and CON, and since the CON bonus hasn't been replaced for Greater/Mighty Rage shouldn't it be increasing?

zza ni |

Derklord wrote:In effect, the rage bonuses are this:
1st-10th level: +4 str, +4 dex
11th-19th level: +4 str, +6 dex
20th: +4 str, +8 dex.Just to clarify this, shouldn't it be:
1st-10th level: +4 str, +4 dex
11th-19th level: +4 str, +6 dex, +2 con
20th: +4 str, +8 dex, +4 con.Greater/Mighty Rage increase STR and CON, and since the CON bonus hasn't been replaced for Greater/Mighty Rage shouldn't it be increasing?
let's take a look at the base barbarian rage\greater\mighty and then the archtype wording:
base barbarian rage:
"...While in rage, a barbarian gains a +4 morale bonus to her Strength and Constitution.."
base barbarian greater rage:
"..the morale bonus to her Strength and Constitution increases to +6.."
base barbarian mighty rage:
"..the morale bonus to her Strength and Constitution increases to +8 .."
and then the archtype wording:
"Rage (Ex): A savage technologist can enter rage as a barbarian, except she gains a morale bonus to Strength and Dexterity instead of Strength and Constitution (meaning there is no morale bonus to con)... When a barbarian ability would increase the savage technologist’s Strength while raging, it increases her Dexterity instead. This ability alters rage."
the greater\mighty rage say the morale bonus increases to X\Y.
and as Derklord said above the archtype does not have a con morale bonus. so the later abilities have nothing to increase in the con department.
it's not a +x morale str, +x morale dex and +0 morale con.
it's a +x morale str, +x morale dex and (null) morale con.
you can not increase what is simply not there.
say you have the fate's favored trait that say you get to increase any luck bonus by +1. you can't go around saying you have normally +0 luck in every roll you make so now you have +1 to all rolls that do not have a better luck bonus.
so again, as Derklord said, the abilities would be:
1st-10th level: +4 str, +4 dex
11th-19th level: +4 str, +6 dex
20th: +4 str, +8 dex.

Derklord |

Just to clarify this, shouldn't it be:
1st-10th level: +4 str, +4 dex
11th-19th level: +4 str, +6 dex, +2 con
20th: +4 str, +8 dex, +4 con.Greater/Mighty Rage increase STR and CON, and since the CON bonus hasn't been replaced for Greater/Mighty Rage shouldn't it be increasing?
Definitely not. As I said, you can't increase something that isn't there. Just like a "—" in the spells per day table doesn't let you increse it with ability scores.
In this case especially, another thing is that Greater Rage and Mighty Rage don't make any mention of increasiogn rage bonuses by +2, they say what the scores get increase to. There can not be a +2 Con.