
pad300 |
Ok, looking to tap community wisdom.
The Evangelist prestige class gets Aligned Class as a ability at 2nd level. The Mortal Usher prestige class gets Mortal Talents (at levels 2, 4, etc). Are there any other prestige classes that get this kind of effect - to effectively progress the class you prestiged out of? (My current class levels are in medium if that's important.)

DeathlessOne |

OOh, someone else is experimenting with the Aligned Class shenanigans between those prestige classes. Have fun. Keep in mind the alignment restrictions if you combine the three (locks you into TN or CN).
I toyed around a bunch with the concept. I was able to get about 14 effective levels from the base class with a combination of six levels of the main class, six evangelist, and ten mortal usher.
If you want to toy around with Kineticist and the Esoteric Knight (which does about the same as aligned class but for kineticists), you can reach effective level 11 of the class, and there are a TON of add-ons you can slap to it to make up for the reduced blast damage. Esoteric Knight also works for the Medium class, as it is a psychic spellcaster but you only get spell progression, not full class progression.
Kineticist 5/Evangelist 1/Mortal Usher 1/ Esoteric Knight 1/Chernasardo Warden 3/Mortal Usher 9
Mortal Usher boosts Evangelist, which boosts Kineticist. Chernasardo Warden boosts Esoteric Knight, which boosts Kineticists. You get effective levels of K11/Eva6/MU10/EK2/CW3. Was able to get a damage varying degrees of damage from tossing in a variant multi class of Magus or Alchemist in conjunction with the Conductive Weapon Property. 12d6 (comp blast) + 5d6 (Reaping Strike) + 10d6 (Bomb) OR +7d6+20 (Pool Strike and Precise Strike Deed).
None of that was ever intended see actual gameplay, but it was an enjoyable exploration of possibilities.
I've toyed around with other concepts like Rage Prophet, Master Chymist, Death Slayer (with Shaman as the base class), and even used Water Dancer Monk and Havocker Witch.

pad300 |
OOh, someone else is experimenting with the Aligned Class shenanigans between those prestige classes. Have fun. Keep in mind the alignment restrictions if you combine the three (locks you into TN or CN).
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You're giving me too much credit for trying to be clever clogs; I was just looking to see if I could come up with something a little more exciting than straight medium levels...

DeathlessOne |

You should do that the other way round, take Mortal Usher first, then use Evangelist to boost Mortal Usher (which boosts your base class). This gets you Mortal Usher-10/Evangelist-10/base-class-5 out of 11 character levels.
There is an order of operations issue. Evangelist can be taken first at level 6 (requires 5 skill ranks) and Mortal Usher at level 7 (requires 6 skill ranks). And you must pick a class for their boosts that you had before taking their levels.
...a mortal usher must choose a class he belonged to before adding the prestige class.
...the evangelist must choose a class she belonged to before adding the prestige class to be her aligned class.
So, you'd end up with 6 levels of a base class, and only 14 other levels to work with, if you pick Mortal Usher first. It still works out to 11 levels of the base class, but you are level 17 at that point and can no longer use either Evangelist or Mortal Usher to boost your levels further (there is no more 'effective levels' you can get as their tables max at 10). You could use Chernasardo Warden to boost Kineticist further, but you'd only get 1 more level out of it for the investment.
So, long term, it is just more efficient to have Mortal Usher boost Evangelist and then finish off the other 4 levels of Evangelist. If you just use those two, you can get an effective level of 14 out of your base class over the 20 levels.

Mysterious Stranger |

As I said there are exceptions, dipping for a single level is usually not too bad. But abandoning a normal class for another class usually makes the character weaker. Which would be stronger a level 5 mutagenic mauler/level 5 cavalier or a level 1 mutagenic mauler/level 9 cavalier?
Outside of classes that have the aligned class or something similar the vast majority of prestige classes are usually niche builds that sacrifice more than they get. I would probably not allow the prestige classes that advance all of the normal classes abilities, especially if it gains the class abilities it did not have.

Mightypion |
Mutliclassing is still strong, particularly for martial class which worry less about spell progression and tend to be frontloaded.
Most prestige classes are just weak, in part because they get their cool stuff too late, whereas most base classes tend to be fairly front loaded.
THere are several prestige classes that can be situationally good, and that are not as well known:
Furious Guardian
It adds access to rage powers, and lacks the primalists section about specifically not qualifing for extra rage power feats", so its access to rage powers for a 1 level dip.
Grey Warden
Who picks this? 2 weapon fighting divine casters. It progresses the base spellcasting class one a 7/10 rating, specifically, you lose 2 spellcasting levels as a cleric, but you do get sneak attack, bane and judgements, as well as 6 skill points.

MrCharisma |

So, long term, it is just more efficient to have Mortal Usher boost Evangelist and then finish off the other 4 levels of Evangelist. If you just use those two, you can get an effective level of 14 out of your base class over the 20 levels.
Fair enough. I'm not familiar with the Chernasardo Warden, so I guess I didn't know how that interacted.