Can you take the inspired alchemy feat as an inspired chemist?


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Silver Crusade

Everything I'm seeing leans towards yes but i just wanna make sure.

For context
"Prerequisites: Ability to create 2nd-level extracts, alchemy class feature, inspiration† class feature.

Benefit: You can recreate an extract that you consumed during the past hour. You must spend 10 minutes and expend a number of uses of inspiration equal to the level of the extract’s formula to do so. When you recreate an extract in this way, it does not count toward the number of extracts you can prepare in a day."

Basically you become an actual potion maker.


Why wouldn't it work, will allow you to use your inspiration like a pearl of power, kinda cool.

I don't understand what you mean by "Basically you become an actual potion maker" though.


i think he mean he can keep it to use later as it is no longer count toward his daily limit and doesn't seem to have duration.

if you have the infusion ability others can use it too.

i need to re-read the whole extract ability to see if it last or must be used before you prepare your new extracts on the next day.

EDIT:

re-reading the extract from the alchemist class:

"An extract, once created, remains potent for 1 day before losing its magic, so an alchemist must re-prepare his extracts every day"

so even if it is not part of his daily limit the made extract will lose it's power after a day. so not really stackable. not on per to a droid's herbalism.


Nope, extracts only remain potent for 24 hours, per the basic rules for extracts from the alchemist class.


I don't see why you can't, as long as you meet the pre-reqs, also regular alchemists already get the brew potion feat, which is nice since they are-but-aren't a caster to apply for much else. (promethean disciple for constructs, and master craftsman for Wonderous items and Arms/Armor.) Also, Infusions could also mess with this, since infusions aren't every 24hrs, they last until broken or used.

So an infused extract recreated this way I BELIEVE would basically be a "free" Potion. But DM would probably put a stop to it if you abuse it.


Where do you see that the infusion discovery overrides the 24 hour expiration in the general elixir rules?

Silver Crusade

Java Man wrote:
Where do you see that the infusion discovery overrides the 24 hour expiration in the general elixir rules?

Can we please not obsess over the semantics? I only called it a potion maker because per the class itself describes extracts as liquid spells.


Sorry, I was intending that for Kiba, who implies that infusions can be stored for after the 24 hour limit.


Java Man wrote:
Sorry, I was intending that for Kiba, who implies that infusions can be stored for after the 24 hour limit.

https://aonprd.com/AlchemistDiscoveries.aspx

When the alchemist creates an extract, he can infuse it with an extra bit of his own magical power. The extract created now persists even after the alchemist sets it down. As long as the extract exists, it continues to occupy one of the alchemist's daily extract slots. An infused extract can be imbibed by a non-alchemist to gain its effects.

In addition, this post here from James Jacobs, Creative director.
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=503?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Q uestions-Here#25103
Which states that an infusion is active until used.


Huh,I am shocked that JJ would have an interpretation where an alchemist losing or having their bag stolen could permanently cripple them. Good thing he isn't a rules source, by his own admission.

The Exchange

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As long as the extract exists, it continues to occupy one of the alchemist's daily extract slots.

This is one of those “could have been worded differently to clarify a pretty obvious edge case” abilities.

Edge case in the sense that having all your gear stolen isn’t something that happens often. Fairly obvious in that every alchemist player thinks about it at some time. It could be a near-permanent loss of class feature. Only getting to prepare extract slots you gained by leveling up from that point on.

I don’t think anyone believes that was the intention however the fix requires a fair bit more text. Something like “each day when the alchemist creates his extracts he may choose to leave infused extracts prepared or to withdraw the magical energy to his own aura and replace them with new extracts. As long as an infused extract exists, it continues to occupy one of the alchemist’s daily extract slots.”


Belafon wrote:
Quote:
As long as the extract exists, it continues to occupy one of the alchemist's daily extract slots.

This is one of those “could have been worded differently to clarify a pretty obvious edge case” abilities.

Edge case in the sense that having all your gear stolen isn’t something that happens often. Fairly obvious in that every alchemist player thinks about it at some time. It could be a near-permanent loss of class feature. Only getting to prepare extract slots you gained by leveling up from that point on.

I don’t think anyone believes that was the intention however the fix requires a fair bit more text. Something like “each day when the alchemist creates his extracts he may choose to leave infused extracts prepared or to withdraw the magical energy to his own aura and replace them with new extracts. As long as an infused extract exists, it continues to occupy one of the alchemist’s daily extract slots.”

Another way SORTA around this, though at financial cost, is the Preserving flasks. Make it an infusion, fill up the flask, then after 24 hours, the flask preserves the extract, and it no longer takes a slot.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/m-p/preserving-flask/

But BACK to OP's Original question. I see no reason why you can't take the feat if you meet all the pre-requisites. Though as always, DM has final say, and if you still have concerns about how it would interact, of course ask them. Sorry if that feels like a bit of a cop-out.

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