What squares does the Wall of Fire ring option occupy

[wizenedsquire]

Hello,

I am wondering how to determine which squares are occupied when using the ring option for Wall of Fire

Quote:

You create either a 5-foot-thick wall of flame in a straight line up to 60 feet long and 10 feet high, or a 5-foot-thick, 10-foot-radius ring of flame with the same height. The wall stands vertically in either form; if you wish, the wall can be of a shorter length or height.

1. Is the radius of the wall measured from the inner edge or the outer edge and is the centre an intersection like a burst or a square like an emanation?

I.e. one of these?

_XXXX_
XX__XX
X____X
X____X
XX__XX
_XXXX_

XXXX
X__X
X__X
XXXX

_XXX_
X___X
X___X
X___X
_XXX_

2. Is the wall contiguous or are their diagonal-only connections?

3. Does the `if you wish, the wall can be of a shorter length` part apply to the ring? Assuming not since only the line is defined as having a length

Thanks

[SuperBidi]

I play it like that:

_XX_
X__X
X__X
_XX_

Basically, you take a 10-foot burst and remove a 5-foot burst from it.

While I agree the rule can be read multiple ways when you really get into it, I think my interpretation is the most straightforward one.

[Errenor]

SuperBidi wrote:

Basically, you take a 10-foot burst and remove a 5-foot burst from it. While I agree the rule can be read multiple ways when you really get into it, I think my interpretation is the most straightforward one.

Taking a 15-ft burst and removing a 10-ft burst is not in any way less straightforward one. But mostly nicer to the players.

[SuperBidi]

Errenor wrote:

SuperBidi wrote:

Basically, you take a 10-foot burst and remove a 5-foot burst from it. While I agree the rule can be read multiple ways when you really get into it, I think my interpretation is the most straightforward one.

Taking a 15-ft burst and removing a 10-ft burst is not in any way less straightforward one. But mostly nicer to the players.

But that makes a 15-feet radius ring of flame. When you determine the radius of a thick circle, you don't take the inner radius but the outer radius.

But overall, I agree that you can read it in many ways as a "10-foot radius ring" is not really defined in the game.

[Jared Walter 356]

SuperBidi wrote:

Errenor wrote:

SuperBidi wrote:

Basically, you take a 10-foot burst and remove a 5-foot burst from it. While I agree the rule can be read multiple ways when you really get into it, I think my interpretation is the most straightforward one.

Taking a 15-ft burst and removing a 10-ft burst is not in any way less straightforward one. But mostly nicer to the players.

But that makes a 15-feet radius ring of flame. When you determine the radius of a thick circle, you don't take the inner radius but the outer radius.

But overall, I agree that you can read it in many ways as a "10-foot radius ring" is not really defined in the game.

Rings are typically measured with inside radius, not outside radius, so I would run it like Errenor.

[breithauptclan]

I would also use the 10 foot burst and only have the fire in the outermost squares.

[breithauptclan]

Though to be fair, the 15 foot burst has 12 squares in the outer ring - which matches the 60 foot distance of the straight line version of the Wall of Fire.

[Errenor]

SuperBidi wrote:

"10-foot radius ring" is not really defined in the game.

Exactly. Which makes your first two sentences not the indisputable truth and so basically false.

And even outside the game ring radius is undefined until you specify which one. Maybe even at center-width.

breithauptclan wrote:

Though to be fair, the 15 foot burst has 12 squares in the outer ring - which matches the 60 foot distance of the straight line version of the Wall of Fire.

Good catch. And an argument.

[Ravingdork]

Made the diagrams a bit more visually defined for everyone.

wizenedsquire wrote:

Hello,

I am wondering how to determine which squares are occupied when using the ring option for Wall of Fire

Quote:

You create either a 5-foot-thick wall of flame in a straight line up to 60 feet long and 10 feet high, or a 5-foot-thick, 10-foot-radius ring of flame with the same height. The wall stands vertically in either form; if you wish, the wall can be of a shorter length or height.

1. Is the radius of the wall measured from the inner edge or the outer edge and is the center an intersection like a burst or a square like an emanation?

I.e. one of these?

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⬜⬜⬛⬛⬛⬛⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜

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2. Is the wall contiguous or are their diagonal-only connections?

3. Does the `if you wish, the wall can be of a shorter length` part apply to the ring? Assuming not since only the line is defined as having a length

Thanks

SuperBidi wrote:

I play it like that:

⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬛⬛⬜⬜
⬜⬛⬜⬜⬛⬜
⬜⬛⬜⬜⬛⬜
⬜⬜⬛⬛⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜

Basically, you take a 10-foot burst and remove a 5-foot burst from it.

While I agree the rule can be read multiple ways when you really get into it, I think my interpretation is the most straightforward one.

[Nelzy]

SuperBidi wrote:

I play it like that:

⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬛⬛⬜⬜
⬜⬛⬜⬜⬛⬜
⬜⬛⬜⬜⬛⬜
⬜⬜⬛⬛⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜

Basically, you take a 10-foot burst and remove a 5-foot burst from it.

While I agree the rule can be read multiple ways when you really get into it, I think my interpretation is the most straightforward one.

This is prob the correct way. a "10foot radius ring" even if undefined cant be bigger then a "10foot burst" thats just silly.

[turtle006]

Nelzy wrote:

SuperBidi wrote:

I play it like that:

⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬛⬛⬜⬜
⬜⬛⬜⬜⬛⬜
⬜⬛⬜⬜⬛⬜
⬜⬜⬛⬛⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜

Basically, you take a 10-foot burst and remove a 5-foot burst from it.

While I agree the rule can be read multiple ways when you really get into it, I think my interpretation is the most straightforward one.

This is prob the correct way. a "10foot radius ring" even if undefined cant be bigger then a "10foot burst" thats just silly.

If you add in the 4 corner squares, this is 60' long also. I think it is 55' currently if you use the every second diagonal rule, which seems close enough to me.