Good day everyone,
I would like to report a small issue with Unleash Psyche and the Psychic Dedication. Indeed, the dedication gives access to some psychic feats that cannot be used without using the Unleash Psyche free action, as they are label with the Psyche, but doesn't give access to the action itself.
I have already discuss it on Reddit and Gitlab.
I sum thing up by quoting this answer I've received:
Under the current rules, you can legally choose those feats with the psychic dedication even if you can't actually use them.
Thank you for your time,
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As long as the requirements for the feat don't list a class feature that you don't have through the archetype, then you can take the feat. Though you are correct that there are some feats that will be partially or completely unusable.
Inventor has things like this too.
The Dedication does give one of the types of innovation, but doesn't give explode.
So No! No! I Created You! could only be picked if you chose a construct innovation.
You could pick Variable Core. Though that feat would only be useful after you also have Explosion from the archetype.
My goal here is to report what I would call a game mechanic bug.
I mean, if I haven't read the trait, I wouldn't know the action from the feat Psy Brust couldn't be used, for example.
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*shrugs*
That doesn't sound like a bug to me. No amount of rules is going to force you to actually read them.
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There's dead feats in CRB which are a helluva more confusing than this. Like by 7th level, the fighter doesn't gain anything from a solid chunk of the general feats: Armor Proficiency, Weapon Proficiency, Canny Acumen, and Incredible Initiative all do nothing. While it would be nice if the game had an easy way to filter out the dead options... b. Is right, sometimes you just need to read the rules.
Which I did, fortunately.
But I cannot help but think this is a bit silly. Useless feat should not be an option. I mean, gaining an armor proficiency when you already have it does not make any sens.
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I must admit I dislike when a feat has a class feature as a prerequisite. It adds unnecessary complexity.
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In this particular case: since the feat is completely useless without the Release Psyche class feature, it would be clearer if it had Release Psyche as a requirement of the feat.
But that isn't a solution for the general problem. There are going to be feats printed for classes that are not as effective or not effective at all when gained through the multiclass archetype. There is no possible general solution for that (Rice's Theorem again): There is no way to list out all of the incompatible feats since that list of feats continues to grow as new books are printed. There is no way to determine whether a class feat requires something that is in the class itself but not in the archetype - especially since some archetype feats add class features (such as Inventor's Explode mentioned earlier).
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Add the action as a prerequisite.Useless feat should not be an option.How would you implement this in a book format? It's not a computer system. You need to evaluate things yourself most of the time anyway.
Sorry, but searching, creating and printing lists of useless/incompatible feats for every feat in the book is not an option.
On the other hand, that is literally what the Psyche trait does. And it is even mentioned in the Psychic class's Key Terms sidebar.
It is like the Hex trait for the Witch focus spells. You do have to read the trait in order to realize that you can't cast multiple Hex spells in the same round.
Well, to solve this problem, very simply, very effectively, having Release Psyche as a prerequisite clearly works very well. My point here was that prerequisite wasn't explicit, but "hidden" in the Psyche Trait. I love Paizo's work and appreciate what they have done for the Tabletop RPG comunity. But I cannot help but think this kind of mistake is too trivial to simply not be corrected through an errata.
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Well, to solve this problem, very simply, very effectively, having Release Psyche as a prerequisite clearly works very well. My point here was that prerequisite wasn't explicit, but "hidden" in the Psyche Trait. I love Paizo's work and appreciate what they have done for the Tabletop RPG comunity. But I cannot help but think this kind of mistake is too trivial to simply not be corrected through an errata.
You keep referring to this as a mistake, but there isn't any mistake here. The trait tells you that you won't be able to use those feats.
What you seem to want is an easier way to determine which class feats are functional for those taking the multiclass archetypes. You could always make those lists yourself and publish them for others to use.