Healing Plaster and Battlefield Medicine


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Can Healing Plaster be used in place of a healers tools when using battlefield medicine?

From Battlefield Medicine...
" Attempt a Medicine check with the same DC as for Treat Wounds "

and from Healing Plaster...
"This restorative substance can be used in lieu of healer's tools for Medicine checks to Administer First Aid or Treat Wounds."

Looks to me like the RAW would be that a Battlefield Medicine check is a check with the same DC as "treat wounds" and has the same effect as "treat wounds" but is not really "treat wounds", so the Plaster would be of no use.

Am I reading too much into this?


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Battle Medicine is not Treat Wounds. That is 100% correct. So yes, the written rules of Healing Plaster limiting it to only replacing healer's tools for the 2 listed actions, rather than all actions that require healer's tools is also a correct reading. (I wouldn't say that houseruling to work with Battle Medicine, specifically, is an unreasonable decision, but it is a houserule).


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JustABill wrote:
Looks to me like the RAW would be that a Battlefield Medicine check is a check with the same DC as "treat wounds" and has the same effect as "treat wounds" but is not really "treat wounds", so the Plaster would be of no use.

Not the same effect: Battle Medicine doesn't remove the wounded condition.

As written, yes, it for some reason doesn't work with the spell Healing Plaster. Probably because Battle Medicine is a separate feat which not everyone has and the spell can't list all existing and future abilities in the game. But I don't see a reason to forbid it, especially when it's another spent action in combat.


Agreed. With malicious rules reading you couldn't use Healing Plaster to use Combat Medicine.

I expect that in practice there are few GMs that would run it that way though.


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Not even malicious reading. "Battle Medicine is not Treat Wounds and doesn't work with anything that only affects Treat Wounds" just IS the way the rules work until you decide to make an actual change for a given case. It isn't an ambiguous thing that you could read differently.

Nothing wrong with acknowledging a houserule as a houserule, instead of trying to dress it up as a matter of interpretation. It's not like being a houserule makes it a bad decision to implement if you feel it will be better for your group and your game.

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Even if it were allowed to work with Battle Medicine OP, you're neglecting to account for the at least two actions to get into the appropriate state to make use of the plaster: Obtaining a hand-full of mud is an interact action, and casting the spell is a Somatic action. Even if you cast it before combat, that would mean you would be walking around the battlefield with a mud ball in hand just looking for an opportunity to use it.


HammerJack wrote:

Not even malicious reading. "Battle Medicine is not Treat Wounds and doesn't work with anything that only affects Treat Wounds" just IS the way the rules work until you decide to make an actual change for a given case. It isn't an ambiguous thing that you could read differently.

Nothing wrong with acknowledging a houserule as a houserule, instead of trying to dress it up as a matter of interpretation. It's not like being a houserule makes it a bad decision to implement if you feel it will be better for your group and your game.

Agreed. Myself, I don't see why it couldn't just say it works in place of a healers kit, full stop. At best it's saving 50gp and you're giving up other cast other spells or it goes away and using a cantrip slot for it.

Cordell Kintner wrote:
Even if it were allowed to work with Battle Medicine OP, you're neglecting to account for the at least two actions to get into the appropriate state to make use of the plaster: Obtaining a hand-full of mud is an interact action, and casting the spell is a Somatic action. Even if you cast it before combat, that would mean you would be walking around the battlefield with a mud ball in hand just looking for an opportunity to use it.

Myself, I'd houserule the mud to be a material component/focus instead of a target so it gets that free retrieval. The extra actions to find/grab the mud isn't really needed.


May I put forward an addendum agendum: Natural Medicine does have a similar issue, does it not?


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Similar in that it only affects Treat Wounds, not any other medicine skill action? Yes, that's what the Natural Medicine feat says and is what it does.

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