Elf Atavism and hybrid Heritage


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Core rulebook page 58

ELF ATAVISM FEAT 1
HALF-ELF
Your elven blood runs particularly strong, granting you features far more elven than those of a typical half-elf. You may also have been raised among elves, steeped in your elven ancestors’ heritage. You gain the benefits of the elf heritage of your elven parent or ancestors. You typically can’t select a heritage that depends on or improves an elven feature you don’t have. For example, you couldn’t gain the cavern elf’s darkvision ability if you didn’t have low-light vision. In these cases, at the GM’s discretion, you might gain a different benefit. Special You can take this feat only at 1st level, and you can’t retrain out of this feat or into this feat.

But Core rulebook page 56

Half-Elf
Either one of your parents was an elf, or one or both were half-elves. You have pointed ears and other telltale signs of elf heritage. You gain the elf trait and low‑light vision. [In addition, you can select elf, half-elf, and human feats whenever you gain an ancestry feat.]

Why would you even bother with choosing a feat to gain access to Elf feat when just by being a Half-Elf you have access to Human, Elf and Half Elf Feats ?

I think in the book it should be written, at GM discretion, to allow Heritage + Heritage (replacing the all feats from the ancestry with those of the 2nd Heritage) Because aside from Half elf and Half Orc all other characters with an heritage only get feats from 1 parent’s feat(The ancestry) and the heritage feat. So I think 2 heritages and no ancestry feat should be ok (At GM discretion, like what is written in the Core Rulebook page 55 about the Half elf and Half Orc that can be other ancestry than human with GM permission. Of course you could argue that the GM could allow anything after all, but it's different. All GMs I have ever played with are very much against Homebrew and doing anything that isn't specifically written in the book. Trading your Ancestry feats for another Heritage feats should be something possible except half elf and Half Orc which already have both parent + the heritage.


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Arcaneumkiller wrote:

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Why would you even bother with choosing a feat to gain access to Elf feat when just by being a Half-Elf you have access to Human, Elf and Half Elf Feats ?
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Elf Atavism isn't getting you access to Elf ancestry feats. As you said, half-elves already have that. Elf Atavism lets you add an Elf Heritage to your character. A heritage is not an ancestry feat so it wouldn't be available to a half-elf without Elf Atavism.

For example: A human can select Half-elf as their heritage, take Elf Atavism as their first level ancestry feat, and select the Cavern Elf Heritage to get darkvision.


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Gisher wrote:
Arcaneumkiller wrote:

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Why would you even bother with choosing a feat to gain access to Elf feat when just by being a Half-Elf you have access to Human, Elf and Half Elf Feats ?
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Elf Atavism isn't getting you access to Elf ancestry feats. As you said, half-elves already have that. Elf Atavism lets you add an Elf Heritage to your character. A heritage is not an ancestry feat so it wouldn't be available to a half-elf without Elf Atavism.

For example: A human can select Half-elf as their heritage, take Elf Atavism as their first level ancestry feat, and select the Cavern Elf Heritage to get darkvision.

Thank you for your reply, I think I should go to bed, I apologize. I don't know how I confuse the too, it's early in the morning and was up all night.


I'm glad I could help. The interactions between ancestry, heritage, ancestry feats, and ethnicity can be really hard to sort out sometimes. In this case you have the weird situation that your ancestry lets you take a heritage that lets you take an ancestry feat that lets you take a second heritage. That's both convoluted and unusual.

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