Would it have to be either/or? They would seem to be numerous and widespread enough to leave room for both options.
I always understood Garundi naming conventions to follow geographical rather than geneological lines. So all those born at a certain place or house would be affiliated with that place or house, unless they moved and adopted a new name for themselves because of the new place they live, or anything notable they've done.
This was my understanding as well, that clan trumped direct family in the Garundi identity.
Fingers crossed that we get a better look into the Yerbira and other Garundi peoples soon.
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I always understood Garundi naming conventions to follow geographical rather than geneological lines. So all those born at a certain place or house would be affiliated with that place or house, unless they moved and adopted a new name for themselves because of the new place they live, or anything notable they've done.
So if I'm playing a PC of mixed Garundi/Chelaxian ancestry (he was born and raised in Khari while it was still under Chelish rule and left before Rahadoum's recent reclamation of it) he wouldn't have so much a surname as much as something like "of Khari?" Or would he just adopt his Chelish parent's surname?
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I always understood Garundi naming conventions to follow geographical rather than geneological lines. So all those born at a certain place or house would be affiliated with that place or house, unless they moved and adopted a new name for themselves because of the new place they live, or anything notable they've done.So if I'm playing a PC of mixed Garundi/Chelaxian ancestry (he was born and raised in Khari while it was still under Chelish rule and left before Rahadoum's recent reclamation of it) he wouldn't have so much a surname as much as something like "of Khari?" Or would he just adopt his Chelish parent's surname?
I guess both : firstname Chelish surname of Khari.
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Consulting Humans of Golarion, there's no mention of Garundi being matrilinear or patrilinear. It does say:
Unlike the family-based societies of Chelaxians or Taldans, the basic unit of Garundi society is the clan, generally a group of 15 to 20 families that live and travel together. Clan membership is the primary identifier for a Garundi, and fellow clan members are strongly allied. These clans display the same expansionist drive that drove the ancient Garundi empires. New clans periodically gather themselves from existing Garundi communities and cast themselves into the unknown, traveling for years, decades, or even generations until they find a place that speaks to them. Such clans don’t wander out of a love of travel or sense of adventure, but rather in a quest for a homeland that they can shape and make specifically their own. Such travelers carry memories and objects from each of the places they visit, and these mementoes are often incorporated into the songs and legends of the clan’s history.
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Garundi typically choose names for their children that illustrate the children’s place in society. Should a child be born into a high-ranking family, its name will reflect the breadth of the clan’s reach: a city name, perhaps, or one of the major geographical landmarks. Those of lesser status choose names that are recognizable landmarks for locals. Those who occupy the bottom of the ladder often take names that reflect minor local landmarks, such as street names.
So it also depends on class. An upper-class child born in the countryside might be given a name like Deben of the Footprints of Rovagug, or Janira Sahure, while a lower-class child might be called Tjuyu Rockarch or Yuya Riverbank, while in the city they might be called Deben of Sothis and Janira of Marblecourt, or Tjuyu of the Bakers and Yuya of Tarstreet.
On the other hand, I've seen very little evidence of this in Osirion, where people either have Keleshite-style names with nasab, laqab, nisbah and kunya, or follow typical Ancient Egyptian names with no surnames. The Ancient Egyptians sometimes took nicknames "x who is called y" for daily reference, or honoured their ancestors as "x son/daughter of y," "x son/daughter of y and z," with a preference for patrilineal descent because they didn't believe that mothers contributed to heredity. They also had "secret names," the Ren, which was assigned by the goddess Renenutet who isn't statted in Pathfinder 1e but had an important theological role. So Osirion is an exception to what Paizo have said about wider Garundi culture.
I always understood Garundi naming conventions to follow geographical rather than geneological lines. So all those born at a certain place or house would be affiliated with that place or house, unless they moved and adopted a new name for themselves because of the new place they live, or anything notable they've done.So if I'm playing a PC of mixed Garundi/Chelaxian ancestry (he was born and raised in Khari while it was still under Chelish rule and left before Rahadoum's recent reclamation of it) he wouldn't have so much a surname as much as something like "of Khari?" Or would he just adopt his Chelish parent's surname?
Quick question - where was it said that Khari was retaken? LOWG still has it as Chelish on the map, but I've seen this mentioned by you and someone else now, and it's a development I'd be glad to see.
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On the PathfinderWiki article for the city, here. Given the sourcing, I believe this comes from the "Beyond the Borders" article in Scourge of the Godclaw, book 5 of the Hell's Vengeance AP. It'd make sense, given that's about what's going on around Cheliax as various nations and factions take advantage of Cheliax's instability while both Hell's Rebels and Hell's Vengeance are going on.
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On the PathfinderWiki article for the city, here. Given the sourcing, I believe this comes from the "Beyond the Borders" article in Scourge of the Godclaw, book 5 of the Hell's Vengeance AP. It'd make sense, given that's about what's going on around Cheliax as various nations and factions take advantage of Cheliax's instability while both Hell's Rebels and Hell's Vengeance are going on.
Thank you! I did some digging, and JJ says that article is non-canon, which is why Khari sill appears Chelish on the map in LOWG.
It’s a shame, that article rocks.