Quick Mount says
Quote: You and your mount can spring into action at a moment's notice. You Mount the creature and Command an Animal to issue it an order of your choice. Using the Mount action while mounted is used to dismount while mounted. Would using Quick Mount while mounted allow me to do the same?
If the Mount action is used to dismount then yes, since the Mount action (capitalized on purpose) is part of the Quick Mount activity and the feat doesn't limit which type of Mount action you can take.
It may seen counterintuitive given the words used, but the action itself falls under the same umbrella in terms of PC abilities.
So basically you want to dismount and get a free Command an Animal out of it? That would depend on how your GM feels about the requirements
Quote: Requirements You are adjacent to a creature that is at least one size larger than you and is willing to be your mount. Can you convince your GM you're 'adjacent' while you're mounted, because technically you're occupying the same space and any munchkin-sensitive GM will sense danger at your question. Thematically it makes sense for a skilled rider to quick-dismount and slap their horse to make it run off. But if I were posing this question, it would be because I want my mount to contribute to the fight like move into flanking and attack or use its support action if they're an animal companion, which of course they are ;)
I don't have my books with me so all I can say is almost certainly no, by strict interpretation of RAW. But it's up to your GM, naturally
Baarogue wrote: So basically you want to dismount and get a free Command an Animal out of it? That would depend on how your GM feels about the requirements Heh, yeah pretty much. I will definitely ask my GM about it but I wanted to see what rulings I may have missed. Mounts are new to me.
Like Castilliano said, it’s a little counterintuitive. I’m pretty sure I assumed dismounting would be it’s own action before fully reading the Mount action.
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Dryades wrote: Baarogue wrote: So basically you want to dismount and get a free Command an Animal out of it? That would depend on how your GM feels about the requirements Heh, yeah pretty much. I will definitely ask my GM about it but I wanted to see what rulings I may have missed. Mounts are new to me.
Like Castilliano said, it’s a little counterintuitive. I’m pretty sure I assumed dismounting would be it’s own action before fully reading the Mount action. Yeah no worries. And keep in mind it's not the "using Mount to dismount" part of it that's shaky. Capital-m Mount is clearly meant to be used to dismount. But the "adjacent" requirement of Quick Mount look pretty carefully written to disallow its use in reverse. Still, I'd say it's a soft no rather than a hard no. I'd probably allow it at a casual table until someone came up with a particularly devious abuse of my leniency ;)
"Adjacent" does seem problematic until one considers other abilities which reference adjacency, in which case it'd be odd to say the mount wasn't.
Also, it seems dismounting would be the easier action, and if heroes would be/should be able to acquire this ability, it should fall under the umbrella of this feat. Having another feat (or simply making the combo impossible) would be a bit ridiculous IMO. Plus, ya know, Rule of Cool for somebody that into their horse/mount.
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Speaking of adjacency, looks like the Mount action has that same exact requirement as Quick Mount. If that doesn’t disallow the dismounting option, is there a reason the Quick Mount requirement would?
Dryades wrote: Speaking of adjacency, looks like the Mount action has that same exact requirement as Quick Mount. If that doesn’t disallow the dismounting option, is there a reason the Quick Mount requirement would? Only because Quick Mount doesn't have the "if you are mounted" exception in its own text. That may be an oversight, which is why I called it a soft no instead of a hard no and would probably allow it myself
I would say No. The requirements do not allow for being mounted and you use the Mount action here only to mount. Not to dismount.
Which is also completely consistent with the description of the feat.
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Definitely unclear...I'd probably allow it until or unless some consistent shenanigans usage happened.
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Baarogue wrote: Only because Quick Mount doesn't have the "if you are mounted" exception in its own text. That may be an oversight, which is why I called it a soft no instead of a hard no and would probably allow it myself Why would it have such an exception? The "Quick Mount" activity doesn't let you mount or dismount, the "Mount" action does. The rules are fairly clear on this, as long as the larger action (i.e Quick Mount) doesn't impose any extra restrictions then the subordinate action works just as it would do as a standalone action.
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I agree Quick Mount works for the dismount too. Because Mount does, and there is nothing in Quick Mount which stops it from working. Already being on your mount, is adjacency as far as I am concerned.
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Thezzaruz wrote: Baarogue wrote: Only because Quick Mount doesn't have the "if you are mounted" exception in its own text. That may be an oversight, which is why I called it a soft no instead of a hard no and would probably allow it myself Why would it have such an exception? The "Quick Mount" activity doesn't let you mount or dismount, the "Mount" action does. The rules are fairly clear on this, as long as the larger action (i.e Quick Mount) doesn't impose any extra restrictions then the subordinate action works just as it would do as a standalone action. Then why does Quick Mount have a requirements line at all?
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