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If you have a Witch Dedication, your familiar knows two cantrips, and you get to prepare one.
If you then take Cantrip Expansion, you can prepare up to three cantrips, but you only know two. Since cantrips don't come on scrolls and familiars learn spells by eating the scrolls, your familiar can't learn any new cantrips which means you can prepare more cantrips than you ever know.
This is exacerbated if you want to take the Cantrip Connection familiar ability, since that would mean can prepare four cantrips but only know two.
Is there a rule which covers situations where you can prepare more cantrips than you know? The Basic spellcasting feats all mention that you learn new spells when you obtain a new spell slot, but the cantrip based abilities don't have that text.
Am I missing something, or can you just not take Cantrip Expansion with a Witch Dedication? Is there an alternative route to the familiar learning more cantrips?
Consuming scrolls is not the only way a witch's familiar learns new spells, but it is the easiest:
APG 94:
You can use the Learn a Spell exploration activity to prepare a special written version of a spell, which your familiar can consume as if it were a scroll. You and your familiar can use the Learn a Spell activity to teach your familiar a spell from another witch's familiar. Both familiars must be present for the entirety of the activity, the spell must be on your spellcasting tradition's spell list, and you must pay the usual cost for that activity, typically in the form of an offering to the other familiar's patron. You can't prepare spells from another witch's familiar.
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Jared Walter 356 wrote: Consuming scrolls is not the only way a witch's familiar learns new spells, but it is the easiest:
APG 94:
You can use the Learn a Spell exploration activity to prepare a special written version of a spell, which your familiar can consume as if it were a scroll. You and your familiar can use the Learn a Spell activity to teach your familiar a spell from another witch's familiar. Both familiars must be present for the entirety of the activity, the spell must be on your spellcasting tradition's spell list, and you must pay the usual cost for that activity, typically in the form of an offering to the other familiar's patron. You can't prepare spells from another witch's familiar.
Aha! So you just need to find (and convince) another Witch. I completely missed that - thanks!
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breithauptclan wrote: You can also learn a cantrip from a Cleric, Bard, Druid, Wizard, spellbook, grimoire, or other plot-specific non-listed magical written forms of the cantrips that the GM gives you. By using that first part - creating a 'personal notes' written version of the spell that acts like a scroll for purposes of giving it to your familiar (but you couldn't cast the cantrip from your notes - it isn't actually a scroll with a cantrip on it). Great - thanks!
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You can also learn a cantrip from a Cleric, Bard, Druid, Wizard, spellbook, grimoire, or other plot-specific non-listed magical written forms of the cantrips that the GM gives you. By using that first part - creating a 'personal notes' written version of the spell that acts like a scroll for purposes of giving it to your familiar (but you couldn't cast the cantrip from your notes - it isn't actually a scroll with a cantrip on it).
Jared Walter 356 wrote: Consuming scrolls is not the only way a witch's familiar learns new spells, but it is the easiest:
APG 94:
You can use the Learn a Spell exploration activity to prepare a special written version of a spell, which your familiar can consume as if it were a scroll. You and your familiar can use the Learn a Spell activity to teach your familiar a spell from another witch's familiar. Both familiars must be present for the entirety of the activity, the spell must be on your spellcasting tradition's spell list, and you must pay the usual cost for that activity, typically in the form of an offering to the other familiar's patron. You can't prepare spells from another witch's familiar.
However the archetype doesn't grant the Learn a Spell activity until you have a basic spellcasting feature. So unless you already have Learn a Spell from somewhere else, you'd have to take the Basic Witchcraft feat in order to use Learn a Spell to learn new cantrips.
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