Ravenous Charge with no hands


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Can a zombie PC use Ravenous Charge to grapple someone even if they have no free hands?


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No. Not unless they have hands-free grappling normally, like a bite with the Grapple trait. Ravenous Charge invokes Grapple, but does not remove any requirements from it.


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HammerJack wrote:
No. Not unless they have hands-free grappling normally, like a bite with the Grapple trait. Ravenous Charge invokes Grapple, but does not remove any requirements from it.

But what if the developers intended you to be latching one with your bite? In that case, having your hands occupied wouldn't really matter.

I think it's unclear. It says you can grapple, and so it could be argued that you can.


I second Hammerjack ( grapple skill is pretty clear in terms of requirements ).


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Ravingdork wrote:
HammerJack wrote:
No. Not unless they have hands-free grappling normally, like a bite with the Grapple trait. Ravenous Charge invokes Grapple, but does not remove any requirements from it.

But what if the developers intended you to be latching one with your bite? In that case, having your hands occupied wouldn't really matter.

I think it's unclear. It says you can grapple, and so it could be argued that you can.

With your bite that you can't even use on targets that you don't already have grabbed or restrained? You could make an argument here, but not one that holds up. Not with general rules pointing against that intent, and nothing specific pointing toward it.


Let me copy my reply to another of your threads:

graystone wrote:
Well, I'll let you know when I get the PDF in a few weeks.


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graystone wrote:
Let me copy my reply to another of your threads:
graystone wrote:
Well, I'll let you know when I get the PDF in a few weeks.

Well? How about now?


Ravingdork wrote:
Can a zombie PC use Ravenous Charge to grapple someone even if they have no free hands?

No: the feat gives NO exception to the normal rules for grapple.

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