Armiger And Alchemy (Spheres of Might) SoM

[ShadowcatX]

I recently ran into a person who insisted armigers couldn't use alchemy on their customized weapons. No amount of me explaining the rules would get them to understand so I'm asking for an official person to comment. (I neither have nor want discord so please don't recommend that.)

1) Can an armiger put alchemy talents onto a customized weapon?

2) Can he retain the use of items he crafted even after he puts away his weapon, so long as he does not exceed his maximum amount of formulae at one time?

3) Can alchemy items be passed around a group in order for them to use?

[Greylurker]

It's not that a custom weapon can't use Alchemy, it's more that Alchemy doesn't work well with custom weapons.

A) you don't get the free ranks in Alchemy
B) you only have the sphere while wielding the weapon, which you can't do while crafting alchemical formulas, cause that takes a half hour to do and needs both hands

Basically a Custom Weapon using Alchemy Sphere is for Poisons since those can be slapped on as a move action.

[ShadowcatX]

Greylurker wrote:

It's not that a custom weapon can't use Alchemy, it's more that Alchemy doesn't work well with custom weapons.

A) you don't get the free ranks in Alchemy

That is patently false, alchemy specifically discusses that you do gain the ranks in alchemy when you use it with an armiger weapon.

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B) you only have the sphere while wielding the weapon, which you can't do while crafting alchemical formulas, cause that takes a half hour to do and needs both hands

There's absolutely nothing in alchemy that says it takes 2 hands. Do you have a page number or did you make that up?

[Greylurker]

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. Spheres and talents that grant skill retraining never grant it when gained via a customized weapon.

and you try mixing drinks for a half hour with a sword in your hand

Common sense man, you can't use temporary Alchemy sphere to make formulas

[ShadowcatX]

Greylurker wrote:

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. Spheres and talents that grant skill retraining never grant it when gained via a customized weapon.

and you try mixing drinks for a half hour with a sword in your hand

Common sense man, you can't use temporary Alchemy sphere to make formulas

When you can tellthe laws of physics to sit down and shut up by wiggling your fingers you can start making "common sense" arguments against martial characters. Until then, and since this is a rules forum, do you have a rule you can quote to back up your argument?

[Greylurker]

You have to Wield the Weapon to get the talents, you put the weapon down you aren't wielding it anymore, the Talent Immediately go poof.

Look if you want some to tell you "Yes you can exploit this" just say so from the start

[Greylurker]

The alternative is the formulas you create stop working when you aren't using the weapon they are tied to

[ShadowcatX]

Greylurker wrote:

You have to Wield the Weapon to get the talents, you put the weapon down you aren't wielding it anymore, the Talent Immediately go poof.

Look if you want some to tell you "Yes you can exploit this" just say so from the start

No, I was wanting a rules based answer, something you seem absolutely unable to supply. But it was confirmed to work on Discord so good enough.

[ShadowcatX]

Greylurker wrote:

The alternative is the formulas you create stop working when you aren't using the weapon they are tied to

Either show a page number for that or admit you're just making s@#! up and go away.

[Greylurker]

Ok so here is what you are really asking

Can I exploit this loophole to let me have access to the talents in one of my custom weapons even when I am not using that weapon?

So go ask your DM and do whatever he tells you

[ShadowcatX]

You think it's a loophole because you dislike the idea of it. That doesn't make it a loophole, especially since it is confirmed to work like that by the author. This isn't some obscure loophole using books written 10 years apart and by different authors to game the system, it's literally all in the samw book.

Your entire argument has been that you dislike it so it is against the rules. You haven't showed a single rule it is against, hell the closet you came to a rule is lying about one of the rules that specifically covers how it does work.