Ant Attack Question


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I am a level 3 Master Summoner,
My question is-

1) When I summon a Giant Ant Worker the attacks show this;
Melee bite +3 [+5] (1d6+2 [1d6+4] plus grab) , sting +3 [+5] (1d4+2 [ 1d4+4] plus poison)

So, The ant makes a bite roll, it then rolls CMB... If that hits Then he rolls sting attack, and gets the damage and poison damage? is this all in one attack if he makes all his rolls successful?

2) is all that applied to a smite attack as well?

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Worker (–1 CR) Worker ants do not have a poison sting attack or a grab special attack.

The attack you cite is for Gian Ant Soldiers. To get Gian Ant Soldiers you need Summon Monster 3.

1) No when the ant makes a full attack it goes Melee bite (+grab attempt if the attack succeeds) +sting. They don't have special attacks triggered by a successful grab attack.

2) I am not really sure what you are asking. The Smite evil effect is applied to all attacks when applicable, so it adds no damage to a successful grab, as it doesn't do any damage. If, after successfully maintaining a grab you decide to use it to apply damage, it applies.


The stats in [brackets] are for when you summon the monster and you have augmented summoning, for the extra +4 strength and constitution. The smite would be added separately, but an ant has no charisma mod and so only adds his HD as bonus damage.


Diego Rossi wrote:
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Worker (–1 CR) Worker ants do not have a poison sting attack or a grab special attack.

The attack you cite is for Gian Ant Soldiers. To get Gian Ant Soldiers you need Summon Monster 3.

1) No when the ant makes a full attack it goes Melee bite (+grab attempt if the attack succeeds) +sting. They don't have special attacks triggered by a successful grab attack.

2) I am not really sure what you are asking. The Smite evil effect is applied to all attacks when applicable, so it adds no damage to a successful grab, as it doesn't do any damage. If, after successfully maintaining a grab you decide to use it to apply damage, it applies.

When I click on the Giant Ant from summon monster II

That’s the stats for attack that it gives…..
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/vermin/ant/ant-giant-wor ker/summoned-creature

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Giant ant
You scroll down and you will find the note I cited.

This si D20PFSRD link to the Giant ant, soldier.
Note how it lacks the sting attacks. They have inverted the entries. The one I linked is the giant and worker, in reality, and the one you cited is the giant ant soldier.


Kirbdog wrote:
is this all in one attack if he makes all his rolls successful?
    I think you have the words mixed up, and confuse actions with "attacks".
    With the sole exception of Manyshot, each attack roll is an individual attack, and each attack has exactly one attack roll (not counting "roll twice take higher/lower, crit confirmation, etc.). Natural attacks work just like attacks with manufactured weapons, if you want to make more than one durign a turn, you need to use the full-attack action. The grab special ability allows you to make a combat maneuver attempt (which is a form of attack) as a free action when the creature makes a successfull attack with the respective natural weapon (in this case the bite). This free comabt maneuver attempt could be made after any attack made with the bite (aftetr standard attack action, charge, or AoO, or even after a bite attak made during a full-attack action).

If the Giant Soldier Ant lands all attacks during a full-attack action, it would have made a bite attack for 1d6+2, a grapple combat maneuver, and a sting attack for 1d4+2 that also inflicted the target with poison. That's a total of three attack rolls, with two natural attacks made as part of the same full-attack action, and one combat maneuver attempt made possibly in the middle of it (if the bite is made first).

Diego Rossi wrote:
They have inverted the entries. The one I linked is the giant and worker, in reality, and the one you cited is the giant ant soldier.

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