Prayer beads and cantrips and focus spells oh my...


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So help me out. A 9th level cleric casts the focus spell healer’s blessing heightened to 5th level. This gives him 8 additional hp per healing spell cast on him for 1 minute. He has standard prayer beads which heal him for 1 hp every time he casts a divine spell. He continually and repeatedly -1 after the other- casts the cantrip message -a 1 action divine spell- to his deity over the course of that minute. How many points does he heal at the end of that minute? Does he get 1 hp every time message is cast or 9 or none because message is a cantrip. Thoughts?

Liberty's Edge

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Prayer beads do not make the divine spell a healing spell. In fact, they even state that "If the spell you cast was a healing spell, you can grant this additional healing to one of the spell’s targets instead of yourself."

So Healer's blessing does nothing.

And casting a cantrip does not use a spell slot, so the Prayer beads' healing will not trigger when casting the Message cantrip.

So, the answer is zero HP.


The Raven Black wrote:

Prayer beads do not make the divine spell a healing spell. In fact, they even state that "If the spell you cast was a healing spell, you can grant this additional healing to one of the spell’s targets instead of yourself."

So Healer's blessing does nothing.

And casting a cantrip does not use a spell slot, so the Prayer beads' healing will not trigger when casting the Message cantrip.

So, the answer is zero HP.

If you read carefully, the healing bestowed by the beads is for ANY divine spell. In the case that the divine spell was a healing spell then you can give the healing point bestowed by the beads to the target INSTEAD of to yourself. With regards to the slot argument, although it is true that you can cast cantrips a near infinite number of times each day, you still have to PICK which ones you can cast at the START of the day. I think there is an argument that they are slotted.


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The rules for cantrips specifically say that they don't use spell slots and can't be prepared in a spell slot.


Squiggit wrote:
The rules for cantrips specifically say that they don't use spell slots and can't be prepared in a spell slot.

Imagine how scary Dangerous Sorcery would get if this weren't true.

Horizon Hunters

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"Whenever you cast a divine spell from your own spell slots while holding the prayer beads, you recover 1 Hit Point"
Cantrips aren't cast from spell slots like The Raven Black and
Squiggit said, so you get nothing.

Just get a Pearly White Spindle Aeon Stone, it automatically heals you for 1 HP per minute.

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