| PlantThings |
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Today I learned not every caster gets Effortless Concentration. For some reason, I thought it's one of those generic caster feats every caster, even the playtest ones, just has. Apparently, the two exclusively divine casters, Cleric and Oracle, don't have it.
I find it amusing the implication here is that being solely divine is rough on your focus with those pesky deities being constant stressors.
| Darksol the Painbringer |
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How many sustained spells are there on the Divine spell list?
Bane, and Bless. Safe Passage.
I don't know the divine list well enough to know of any others.
Drop Dead, Spiritual Weapon/Guardian, literally any Summon spell likewise counts, and I know each tradition gets one type of Summon spell. Plenty of others I'm missing.
| voideternal |
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I compiled a list because I was curious myself.
Divine Spells:
bane
bless
reaper's lantern
animate dead
antimagic field
calm emotions
divine aura
drop dead
ethereal jaunt
familiar's face
field of life
forbidding ward
gate
locate
prestidigitation
prying eye
revival
safe passage
spiritual guardian
spiritual weapon
summon celestial
summon fiend
word of truth
Domain Focus Spells:
draconic barrage
zenith star
competitive edge
ectoplasmic interstice
fallow field
magic's vessel
overflowing sorrow
protector's sphere
swarmsense
This list excludes campaign specific spells. I might also be missing a few focus spells, and I'm definitely missing oracle spells.
Two points in addition to the above list:
1) Arcane / Occult / Primal definitely have a much much much bigger selection of concentrate / sustain spells.
2) Both clerics and oracles have the ability to poach from the Arcane / Occult / Primal list through their deity / divine access.
| Unicore |
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bane and bless are not sustain spells. They can be expanded with a concentrate action, but they wouldn't benefit from effortless concentration. How sure are we that focus spells qualify for effortless concentration? The language of the feat is a little weird, specifying class spells, a term that I can't find a definition for anywhere.
| graystone |
How sure are we that focus spells qualify for effortless concentration?
Pretty sure. We know they are spells and feat that grants the focus spells have a class trait associated with them, hence a class spell. I mean, what else would you call a spell that requires that classes class feat to take but a class spell? [or class feature for the oracle] I'm assuming that the focus spells inherits the trait of the feat that grants.
| Unicore |
Unicore wrote:How sure are we that focus spells qualify for effortless concentration?Pretty sure. We know they are spells and feat that grants the focus spells have a class trait associated with them, hence a class spell. I mean, what else would you call a spell that requires that classes class feat to take but a class spell? [or class feature for the oracle] I'm assuming that the focus spells inherits the trait of the feat that grants.
I mean that makes sense, but then do regular spells from slots get class spell status? They only have traditions associated with them. It seems rather punitive to exclude spells you might get from an archetype?
| Ubertron_X |
I compiled a list because I was curious myself.
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This list excludes campaign specific spells. I might also be missing a few focus spells, and I'm definitely missing oracle spells.
Two points in addition to the above list:
1) Arcane / Occult / Primal definitely have a much much much bigger selection of concentrate / sustain spells.
2) Both clerics and oracles have the ability to poach from the Arcane / Occult / Primal list through their deity / divine access.
Nicely done! Just keep in mind that the sheer number of available spells might only tell half the story. The other half is frequency of use and ease of application of said spells.
For example when comparing Calm Emotions, which you might possibly want to cast every other non boss fight, and Locate, which you might possibly just use a couple of times over your whole 20 levels career, even a handful of important spells might warrant the use of a feat like Effortless Concentration, no matter how long your list of potential beneficiary spells really is (on the plus side the longer the list the higher the chance for actually containing said important spells).
Just saying.