I'll probably be playing a Kobold Cloistered Cleric of Apsu.
The template I intend to play is all set, apart from a few things:
1) Draconic Exemplar.
Not sure what kind of dragon might that character be.
I Considered either a proud metallic or a redeemed chromatic one, and what lvl 1 to 4 spells might be useful ( i'll get 10 char by lvl 5 and 15 char by lvl 15 ).So, any consideration is well accepted ( either flavor and best spells combination ). I really love chromatic dragons to be honest ( blue ones are my favorites, even considering my dracomancer spells will be "meh" compared to other dragons ), but I wonder how a deity like Apsu might consider a chromatic spawn.
2) What mount a Kobold might ride?
I will be taking some Beastmaster feats in order to ride a non "mount" companion, and currently I am interested in the Dromaeosaur ( Because it's a reptile, moves fast and it's thin ), but maybe there might be something even better.
Also, would be strange for a kobold to ride a reptile mount?
If you are playing a Cloistered Cleric, I would suggest having a higher starting Charisma, at least a 14. This gives you more freedom in spell selection by giving you more heightened Heal spells per day. This also affects the Save DCs of your innate spells from the Dracomancer feats, as well as Save DCs of other sources, like Kobold Breath, and improves Charisma skills like Diplomacy, Intimidate, etc.
Apsu would probably frown upon Chromatic Dragons, as they are usually evil, and don't follow his edicts and avoid anathema like Metallic Dragons would. But, the rules more appropriately follow Chromatic Dragon powers, so it's really a GM call. There are other similar deities that might be more accepting of Chromatic Dragons, though.
A reptile companion is acceptable, but will not have the Mount trait by RAW. A GM might allow it, though, either starting out or with some training, or not allow it.
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1) To be a Cleric of Apsu, you must be LG. Since Apsu is the god of Good dragons, he will smile on you. But you might feel guilty about the betrayal of your ancestors who decided to turn Evil and chromatic. Maybe trying to change the color of your scales in some way.
Note : the Dragon Disciple can provide you with a color of dragon different from that of your exemplar. It might be an interesting, if not overly optimized, path to pursue. Same for Draconic Sorcerer MC.
For innate spells, look for non hostile spells (ie, no saves, no attack rolls) to lessen the impact of them being Arcane. Note that Draconic Sorcerer MC will help here too.
2) Why not ?
Monitor Lizard is Medium and has the Mount trait.
And I completely agree with Darksol on the importance of CHA. In fact, I would go WIS first, DEX and CHA second.
Also this should be in the Advice forum. I flagged it to be moved there ;-)
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I was looking into the Dracomancer feats a while back, and I made a list of the Exemplar spells. Here it is in case anyone would find it useful. I found Gold and Silver particularly interesting since they include spells that aren't on the arcane list and I usually play arcane casters.
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Edit: Here it is formatted for the boards.
Black Dragon (Acid - Line)
1st: alarm, ray of enfeeblement, true strike
2nd: blur, glitterdust, invisibility
3rd: paralyze, slow, stinking cloud
4th: clairvoyance, dimension door, suggestion
Blue Dragon (Electricity - Line)
1st: alarm, charm, unseen servant
2nd: dispel magic, invisibility, mirror image
3rd: dream message, hypnotic pattern, paralyze
4th: clairvoyance, dimension door, hallucinatory terrain
Green Dragon (Poison - Cone)
1st: illusory object, true strike, ventriloquism
2nd: humanoid form, mirror image, see invisibility
3rd: dispel magic (H), locate, mind reading
4th: clairvoyance, dimension door, stoneskin
Red Dragon (Fire - Cone)
1st: charm, ray of enfeeblement, true strike
2nd: comprehend language, resist energy, see invisibility
3rd: grease (H), haste, mind reading
4th: crushing despair (1), invisibility (H), stoneskin
White Dragon (Cold - Cone)
1st: ray of enfeeblement, true strike
2nd: dispel magic, invisibility, resist energy
3rd: earthbind, haste, vampiric touch
4th: charm (H), dimension door, freedom of movement
Brass Dragon (Fire - Line)
1st: alarm, sleep, ventriloquism
2nd: humanoid form, mirror image, resist energy
3rd: earthbind, locate, paralyze
4th: confusion, dimension door, dimensional anchor
Bronze Dragon (Electricity - Line)
1st: alarm, hydraulic push, true strike
2nd: comprehend language, mirror image, resist energy
3rd: dispel magic (H), mind reading, slow
4th: dimension door, solid fog, suggestion
Copper Dragon (Acid - Line)
1st: fleet step, illusory object, magic aura
2nd: glitterdust, invisibility, see invisibility
3rd: dispel magic (H), haste, meld into stone
4th: confusion, creation, stoneskin
Gold Dragon (Fire - Cone)
1st: alarm, mending, protection (2), spirit link (2)
2nd: restoration (2), resist energy, see invisibility, silence (2)
3rd: dispel magic (H), haste, heal (H 2)
4th: discern lies, heal (H 2), restoration (H 2)
Silver Dragon (Cold - Cone)
1st: alarm, bless (2), protection (2), true strike
2nd: augury (2), calm emotions (2), restoration (2), see invisibility
3rd: heal (H 2), paralyze, wall of wind
4th: freedom of movement, read omens (2), restoration (H 2)
Key
(H) heightened spell
(1) crushing despair is normally a 5th level spell
(2) not on the arcane spell list
I was looking into the Dracomancer feats a while back, and I made a list of the Exemplar spells. Here it is in case anyone would find it useful. I found Gold and Silver particularly interesting since they include spells that aren't on the arcane list and I usually play arcane casters.
This is because they are actually Divine spellcasters, not Arcane, though I don't know if all Metallic Dragons are Divine spellcasters. I would assume so, given their dynamic in the lore.
It creates a weird interaction with the Dracomancer feats, where you are given Arcane Innate spells, but the Dragons are Divine spellcasters. A favorable interpretation would be that you can still select spells that also appear on the Arcane list, but a GM might argue that you can't get any of their spells because they aren't of the same tradition.
Chromatics have more rules support for their spells, as they are usually Arcane, which matches the Innate spells, but again, it's a GM call at the moment.
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I was looking into the Dracomancer feats a while back, and I made a list of the Exemplar spells. Here it is in case anyone would find it useful. I found Gold and Silver particularly interesting since they include spells that aren't on the arcane list and I usually play arcane casters.This is because they are actually Divine spellcasters, not Arcane, though I don't know if all Metallic Dragons are Divine spellcasters. I would assume so, given their dynamic in the lore.
It creates a weird interaction with the Dracomancer feats, where you are given Arcane Innate spells, but the Dragons are Divine spellcasters. A favorable interpretation would be that you can still select spells that also appear on the Arcane list, but a GM might argue that you can't get any of their spells because they aren't of the same tradition.
Chromatics have more rules support for their spells, as they are usually Arcane, which matches the Innate spells, but again, it's a GM call at the moment.
It seems clear to me that you can select any spells from the exemplar list and cast them as innate arcane spells.
Choose one 1st-level spell and one 2nd-level spell from those listed for a dragon spellcaster of your draconic exemplar’s type, as presented on pages 104–126 of the Bestiary (such as alarm, blur, invisibility, and true strike for a black dragon exemplar). You can cast each of these spells once per day as arcane innate spells.
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I was looking into the Dracomancer feats a while back, and I made a list of the Exemplar spells. Here it is in case anyone would find it useful. I found Gold and Silver particularly interesting since they include spells that aren't on the arcane list and I usually play arcane casters.This is because they are actually Divine spellcasters, not Arcane, though I don't know if all Metallic Dragons are Divine spellcasters. I would assume so, given their dynamic in the lore.
It creates a weird interaction with the Dracomancer feats, where you are given Arcane Innate spells, but the Dragons are Divine spellcasters. A favorable interpretation would be that you can still select spells that also appear on the Arcane list, but a GM might argue that you can't get any of their spells because they aren't of the same tradition.
Chromatics have more rules support for their spells, as they are usually Arcane, which matches the Innate spells, but again, it's a GM call at the moment.
Only Gold and Silver cast as Divine. And even for them their innate spells are Arcane ;-)
Yeah, my doubts were most towards the fact that a kobold is not a dragon but some sort of spawn which happened to be somehow tied to some draconic heritage. I mean, judging the bestiary they are all LE, but even so I wondered if they were tied to dragon stuff and how much. Finally, if Apsu would be the kind of god who hates specific heritages regardless their alignments or not ( death to chromatic dragons! ).
Or maybe they would not hate them, but on the same time wouldn't accept them as his heralds
The PRD website didn't have an actual description of who he was, which was what I was going off of.
Reading this wiki page, it would make more sense to be a Metallic type to worship Apsu, as that is mostly what his followers consist of. Does that mean you can't be a Chromatic Dragon, or even a mortal, and worship them? Not really. But my suggestion would be to play a "redeemed" or "repentant" type of character if you want to go against the grain of "metallic dragons and their descendants" as being the primary follower type.
In the lore, the Chromatic Dragons were essentially created when Tiamat coerced them (whom were previously Metallic) into saving hers and Apsu's son, Dahak, who went into Hell to rampage around and kill their children, as a result of their decision to heed Tiamat's request of saving their first-born, the healing from their grievous wounds transforming their metallic scales into chromatic ones. Apsu did request the help of his son during Rovagug's Rampage, and was both thankful for his aid and surprised at the lack of Dahak's potential betrayal, suggesting that he doesn't truly despise Chromatic types and is willing to work with them if the common good dictates so.
That being said, this might be based off of PF1 lore, which might either be different or completely wrong in the PF2 timeline, so take it with a grain of salt, but I don't think much (if at all) has really changed from then since now, other than maybe Tiamat no longer being called Tiamat due to D&D copyright.
Apsu's primary followers are metallic dragons and their descendants. There might rarely be mortals or non-metallic dragon worshippers, but those are along the lines of Fiends or Undead whom work with the forces of Good, in that they are rare and need to have worked towards a path of redemption or repentance to be given the chance they are given.
Of course, this is really GM territory, as that is whom determines what Apsu accepts as worshippers, or if there is such a barrier in this regard. Given that he is a specific deity with a pretty specific target audience for worshippers (even if he is one of the very first), it's not particularly likely for those of an off-brand audience to worship him.
If I were GM, in this case, if you chose a Chromatic Exemplar, Apsu would be an unlikely deity choice unless your alignment and character background would support Apsu's beliefs and idealisms despite your ancestral choices, not unlike a Demonic or Undead Bloodline Sorcerer whom is Lawful Good and worships a Good-aligned deity. A Blue Dragon Exemplar Kobold, for example, would be an unlikely (but not impossible) Apsu worshipper due to their ancestral influences.
But again, all that matters is what your GM has to say. Just trying to give some objective advice in regards to what can happen.
