JJ mentioned I should ask here if Mr. Lundeen has any input on Belcorras appearance? She wasn't described in this book but it is implied she is visible in her painting and her appearance is 'recognizable' by the time the players face a certain enemy.
Great to hear! I was also looking for an image :) Especially for the painting I want to be able to show the players a picture. Any time estimation für the update of the cover?
JJ mentioned I should ask here if Mr. Lundeen has any input on Belcorras appearance? She wasn't described in this book but it is implied she is visible in her painting and her appearance is 'recognizable' by the time the players face a certain enemy.The cover of the third adventure has Belcorra on it. That's not *quite* updated yet, but when it is, that'll be the best place to look for a description (and it's an awesome image!).
Any chance we have an ETA on that? Finished book one and the party physically sees echoes of her in one part, I felt real bad giving them a hand waived description of her. :/
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Even just a vague physical description would be cool. Or like maybe if it would be possible to publish the art? My changeling player isn't sure if she should be like 'oh that looks like mom' or 'oh hey is that Lady Dimitrescu? ;)'
I really do appreciate the replies, btw. Not trying to be difficult, I just like to be consistent with my npc depictions.
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For anyone curious, I just found out if you watch to the very last seconds of the new video they posted about the AP you can see a little low-res image of the cover of 3 with Belcorra looking spooky. Still not a great image since it's a tiny screenshot on a youtube video but at the very least we can say she's not an ancient hag and much more a fancy, beautiful woman in a poofy dress
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For anyone curious, I just found out if you watch to the very last seconds of the new video they posted about the AP you can see a little low-res image of the cover of 3 with Belcorra looking spooky. Still not a great image since it's a tiny screenshot on a youtube video but at the very least we can say she's not an ancient hag and much more a fancy, beautiful woman in a poofy dress
thanks , but that image represent Belcorra as a ghost. What i would like to see is the image of Belcorra before she became undead.
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For anyone curious, I just found out if you watch to the very last seconds of the new video they posted about the AP you can see a little low-res image of the cover of 3 with Belcorra looking spooky. Still not a great image since it's a tiny screenshot on a youtube video but at the very least we can say she's not an ancient hag and much more a fancy, beautiful woman in a poofy dressthanks , but that image represent Belcorra as a ghost. What i would like to see is the image of Belcorra before she became undead.
I mean, I completely agree. I really hope there isn't another oversight with her like with Graveraker in AoE, where there's this ambiguous MASSIVE BUILDING SIZED OBJECT that is both a plot point and a dungeon and it's NEVER depicted aside from some descriptions of its limbs.
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Yep, given one of the creatures on level 1 is carved in her likeness having a picture of her would have really helped.
Not just that, but the painting, and the (SPOILERS) the entire SERIES OF FLASHBACKS TO HER that you get in her personal quarters, showing her having conversations and appearing in the flesh, essentially. Also the blood mist being called 'recognizably appearing as her'.
Paizo, I love y'all, but this stuff is pretty important for an AP lol. Nobody wants to play through FFVII and just have everyone give you the 'oh, as you know, thats Sephiroth. You've seen him! We all have! Very recognizable!' and then you first see him during the final boss fight.
For instance: they had to completely rebuild and redesign the final boss of Carrion Crown because the art came in completely unlike what they had actually wanted. In this case it felt like they wanted just a little less tight of an art deadline, or perhaps the art just couldn't fit in book 1 and it's just unfortunate.
But at least we can reasonably say she was probably blue. :P
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I just feel like if there is ONE single piece of art that should be pushed through the pipeline first, it's the Primary Antagonist of the Entire AP who Visually Appears within a Few Hours of Play. If anything, scrap the art of Boss Skrawng or something, he looks great but doesn't look like a Mitflit at all.
Also, I never knew about the Carrion Clown boss!
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It was going to be the same guy, but the art basically came back as a scary skeleton with a big spear, when it was supposed to be like,
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It was going to be the same guy, but the art basically came back as a scary skeleton with a big spear, when it was supposed to be like,
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First off, thanks for not roasting me for my autocorrect Carrion Clown.
Second, thats super interesting. I kinda wish we got to see the intended art.
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It was going to be the same guy, but the art basically came back as a scary skeleton with a big spear, when it was supposed to be like,
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On sidenote, what is source for this information? I'm now super curious at reading everything about what the original was supposed to be like xD Juuuust in case that info becomes useful
It was going to be the same guy, but the art basically came back as a scary skeleton with a big spear, when it was supposed to be like,
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First off, thanks for not roasting me for my autocorrect Carrion Clown.
Second, thats super interesting. I kinda wish we got to see the intended art.
Well, I wasn't going to say anything about Carrion Clown but...
Yes, illustrating Belcorra as she existed in life would be helpful. We're moving toward having images of the significant AP characters earlier in the process, and we already had Belcorra's illustration as a ghost, but art of her as a living person would be helpful too!
I appreciate the reply.
Like I said, I'm not trying to sound heated or anything. It's a criticism from a place of love. I absolutely adore Paizo art and APs, and so does my table. I really just don't wanna let them down with having to come up with... Non-canon depictions, for example. We've got two players playing sibling changelings and I wasn't sure if I should lean into the spooky 'oh she looks like she could be friends with your mom!' or unrelated. I was considering having their green-hag mother be an associate or at least informant of Belcorra and so I was really hoping to maybe get them thinking Bel WAS their hagmother for Extra Drama.
I just would hate to seed that and then have the art show up completely disconnected and either have to skip using the official art or retcon our entire depiction up to that bit.
Like I said, no hate, just probably a tad too warm of a reply from me. Apologies if I came across as anything but. Love the work you're all doing.
On sidenote, what is source for this information? I'm now super curious at reading everything about what the original was supposed to be like xD Juuuust in case that info becomes usefulIt was going to be the same guy, but the art basically came back as a scary skeleton with a big spear, when it was supposed to be like,
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AP thread for book 6 over in the CC forum, the author talked about it. I think it might also be mentioned in the foreword of the book itself?
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I kinda wish we got to see the intended art.
Same here.
Sometimes that's just not possible. Often, as a side effect of producing so much monthly content on a strict deadline, real-world complications force changes. When art comes in days (or in some cases even hours) before we have to ship a product to the printer, we have to decide if we want to reject the art, have the artist re-do things, and then have that product ship a month late, or to simply change the text to match the art. The latter option is something we can generally fix with a few minutes of work (although it's risky since it introduces new writing with very little to no chance for it to actually get properly edited), and it's almost always, in a case like that, the right choice, since having an installment of a monthly product like the Adventure Path miss a month is potentially devastating to subscription revenue. To say the least devastating to folks trying to run the campaign as it's published!
In a case like this, the intended art never existed, so we had to make the changes. It's not perfect, but it happens, especially considering we order dozens of original pieces of artwork a month.
Lately I've generally taken to not talking about things like this in public, honestly, since if we fix things so it's not apparent that there was ever an error in the first place, yay. I'd much rather have folks enjoy a final product rather than let their imaginations run wild with "what could have been" situations in their imagination, since there's no way we would have been able to live up to those expectations.
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Damn, I still can't tell what age she is meant to be (whether being a ghost has distorted her features ghostbusters style or not)
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Damn, I still can't tell what age she is meant to be (whether being a ghost has distorted her features ghostbusters style or not)
She was 6 in 4219, returned to Kortos at age 17 to find the Nhimbaloth vault, and start building the Gauntlight and the Arena was active from 4235 to 4244 AR, which more or less lines up with the ten years we're told it was active elsewhere.
The timeline in volume one makes this clear. And is corroborated by all other dating.