Shapeless feat and the ability to speak.


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I was checking this feat and started wondering if it was the case. If you use this feat and the second form you pick is of a familiar that can speak (like a raven). Would the familiar be able to speak while in this new form?

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From what I know, the ability of some animal to mimic the human voice isn't considered an ability to speak. I think I have seen a comment by a Dev saying that, but I don't think there is an official rule.

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Check the Decoy familiar archetype. Maybe it does what you want.

Familiar Folio wrote:

Decoy (Familiar Archetype)

A decoy misdirects its master’s enemies, allowing the master to strike by surprise.
Class Skills: A decoy treats Bluff as a class skill.
Deceitful: A decoy gains Deceitful as a bonus feat. This replaces alertness.
Mockingbird (Ex): At 5th level, a decoy can speak any of its master’s languages. At 7th level, it can mimic its master’s voice and intonation perfectly. This ability replaces speak with master and speak with animals of its kind.
Master’s Guise (Sp): At 11th level, a decoy can transform into a perfect likeness of its master, as the alter self spell. It can hold this form for up to 1 minute per caster level; upon changing back, the decoy must remain in its natural form for an equal amount of time before transforming again.
This ability replaces spell resistance.

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FreezingWolf wrote:
I was checking this feat and started wondering if it was the case. If you use this feat and the second form you pick is of a familiar that can speak (like a raven). Would the familiar be able to speak while in this new form?
CRB wrote:
*A raven familiar can speak one language of its master’s choice as a supernatural ability.

Beast shape II (the one you get from Shapeless) doesn't give your familiar that supernatural ability.


I see. Thanks. It was mostly curiosity. I suppose there is also the familiar speech (spark of the uncanny) feat.

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