Multiple alloy's and resistance


Inventor Class


I love the idea of my weapon being made from 9 unique metals.

But do many creatures also have resistance or immunity to these metals? I dunno I haven't combed through the bestiary.

Because if the benefits get overshadowed by constantly running into resistance or immunity. That would feel pretty bad.

Just a thought.

Sczarni

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

I'd rule it as that it would bypass that immunity. Reason is, it's triggering other weaknesses. So logically speaking, the metal that hit it didn't hurt it. It was the OTHER metals that did.


All well and good about how you'd rule it. But unfortunately that doesn't mean how it's supposed to be ran. Potentially.


Martialmasters wrote:
But do many creatures also have resistance or immunity to these metals?

That's not really something that can happen based on the monster design rules.

Shadow Lodge

Revolutionary Weapon Modifications / Impossible Alloy wrote:
Other inventors claim it’s not even technically possible, but you’ve managed to create several metal alloys that seem to work for only you, allowing you to damage opponents vulnerable to every one of the seven skymetals. Your innovation is treated as all seven skymetals (abysium, adamantine, djezet, inubrix, noqual, orichalcum, and siccatite). This allows you to deal more damage to a variety of creatures, though you don’t apply any of the other special effects for weapons made of those skymetals.
Using the search function in 'Archives of Nethys' I found the following:
  • Abysium - No matches.
  • Adamantine - 33 creatures (mostly constructs), though I'm not going to verify how many are resistance/vulnerability entries
  • Djezet - No matches
  • Inubrix - No Matches
  • Noqual - One match, but not a resistance/vulnerability entry
  • Orichalcum - Two creatures with Resistances negated by 'adamantine or orichalcum' from an AP
  • Siccatite - No matches
So, at the moment at least, the impossible alloy modification seems to basically be 'treat as Adamantine for resistance/vulnerability purposes'


Well, assuming these metals are released with the book, they might have different properties like "ignores the resistance physical damage on undead" or things like that?

Shadow Lodge

Sporkedup wrote:
Well, assuming these metals are released with the book, they might have different properties like "ignores the resistance physical damage on undead" or things like that?

Yep, of the seven skymetals listed, Adamantine is known and useful, Orichalcum is known and not useful (at least, not for resistance/vulnerability purposes), and the other 5 are unknown beyond their PF1 versions:

PF1 Abysium:
Source Pathfinder #61: Shards of Sin pg. 70

Known also as feverstone (a somewhat misleading name, as abysium is a metal like all the others), this glowing, blue-green substance can be a source of great energy. However, it also causes those who spend extended amounts of time near it to grow ill and die unless proper precautions are taken. Abysium is associated with conjuration magic, zeal, and sloth. Abysium functions as steel when used to craft weapons and armor, but anyone who carries or wears abysium arms or armor becomes sickened for as long as the gear is carried or worn, plus an additional 1d4 hours after it is removed. Likewise, a character in an area with heavy concentrations of abysium becomes sickened as long as he remains in the area. This is a poison effect. In Thassilon, wealthy lords often built manacles or prison bars out of Abysium in order to keep their prisoners debilitated.

Weapons and armor made from abysium glow with an intensity equal to that of a candle. Scholars have long debated where the glow and associated sickening effect come from, but most agree that the source of the power comes from the Abyss itself, due to the nature of the energy contained in abysium. Pure or properly refined abysium produces this energy in a way that can be harnessed by arcane engines and technologies to generate energy sources strong enough to power extensive magical creations like golems, traps, or magical items the size of buildings. Most secrets of harnessing this power have long been lost, but as the Shattered Star Adventure Path continues, the PCs will have many chances to learn more about this dangerous technology.

Abysium can also be powdered and alchemically distilled with other rare catalysts and chemicals to form a much more potent toxin. It was in this form that the metal was most traditionally used in ancient Thassilon. A pound of Abysium is enough to make 1 dose of abysium powder.

Abysium Powder: Poison—ingested; save Fortitude DC 18; onset 10 minutes; frequency 1/minute for 6 minutes; effect 1d4 Con plus nausea; cure 2 saves; cost 900 gp.

PF1 Djezet:
Source Pathfinder #61: Shards of Sin pg. 70

One of the strangest of the seven known types of skymetal, rust-red djezet is liquid at all temperatures. This makes the metal relatively useless for crafting metal objects (although many gifted metallurgists, such as Xin himself, have had some success creating djezet alloys), but most who seek out this metal intend to use it instead as an additional material component for spellcasting, since it possesses an ability to enhance magic. Djezet is associated with enchantment magic, love, and lust. Used as an additional material component, a dose of djezet increases the effective level of a spell by +1, as if it were being modified by the Heighten Spell feat. In order to function as an additional material component, the spellcaster must use a number of doses of djezet equal to the spell’s level—additional djezet used beyond this amount does nothing. Djezet costs 200 gp per dose.

PF1 Inubrix:
Source Pathfinder #61: Shards of Sin pg. 71

This metal’s structure allows it to pass through iron and steel without touching them, seemingly shifting in and out of phase with reality. This quality earned the pale metal the nickname “ghost iron.” Inubrix is associated with necromancy magic, temperance, and gluttony. Inubrix is the softest of the solid skymetals, being only slightly less malleable than lead. It doesn’t function well for crafting armor as a result, and though inubrix weapons can penetrate most metal armors with relative ease, the weapons tend to break easily. Inubrix has 10 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 5.

An inubrix weapon deals damage as if it were one size category smaller than its actual size, and is always treated as if it had the broken condition. It ignores all armor or shield bonuses granted by iron or steel armor or shields. Inubrix weapons cannot damage these materials at all (and, by extension, cannot harm iron golems or similar creatures). An inubrix weapon costs +5,000 gp.

PF1 Noqual:
Source Pathfinder #61: Shards of Sin pg. 71, Pathfinder #14: Children of the Void pg. 19

Noqual looks almost like a pale green crystal to the untrained eye, but can be worked as iron despite its appearance. It is associated with abjuration magic, charity, and envy. Noqual is light—half as heavy as iron, yet just as strong. More importantly, noqual is strangely resistant to magic. An object made of noqual gains a +4 bonus on any saving throw made against a magical source. Creating a magic item that incorporates any amount of noqual into it increases the price of creation by 5,000 gp, as costly reagents and alchemical supplies must be used to treat the metal during the process.

Weapons made of noqual weigh half as much as normal, and gain a +1 enhancement bonus on damage rolls against constructs and undead created by feats or spells. Noqual armor weighs half as much as other armors of its type, and is treated as one category lighter than normal for the purposes of movement and other limitations (light armor is still treated as light armor, though). The armor’s maximum Dexterity bonus increases by 2, and armor check penalties are reduced by 3. The armor’s spell failure chance increases by 20% and applies to all magic cast while wearing the armor, regardless of the magic’s source or class abilities possessed by the wearer. The wearer of a suit of noqual armor gains a +2 resistance bonus on all saving throws against spells and spell-like abilities.

Noqual has 30 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 10. Noqual ore is worth 50 gp per pound. A suit of noqual light armor costs +4,000 gp, medium armor +8,000 gp, and heavy armor +12,000 gp. A shield costs +2,000 gp, and a weapon or other item +500 gp.

PF1 Siccatite:
Source Pathfinder #61: Shards of Sin pg. 71

This shining silver metal is either incredibly hot or freezing cold when found. Siccatite is associated with evocation magic, wrath, and kindness. As of yet, scholars have not determined whether siccatite is actually two similarly hued metals or a single type that determines its own temperature via some unknown process. When raw siccatite is found, it has a 50% chance of being hot siccatite; otherwise, it’s cold siccatite. Physical contact with siccatite deals 1 point of energy damage each round (either fire or cold, as appropriate). Hot siccatite can eventually ignite objects, and cold siccatite in water quickly surrounds itself with a 1-foot-thick shell of ice. A weapon made of siccatite deals +1 point of damage of the appropriate energy type each time it strikes a foe, but also deals 1 point of the same energy damage to the wielder each round it is used in combat. Likewise, siccatite armor deals 1 point of energy damage per round to a creature wearing it, and deals 1 point of energy damage each full round a creature is grappled by someone wearing siccatite armor. Cold siccatite armor grants fire resistance 5, while hot siccatite armor grants cold resistance 5. (The type of armor does not alter the amount of resistance granted.) Weapons made of siccatite cost +1,000 gp. Armor made of siccatite costs +6,000 gp.

Without knowing the actual PF2 properties of these materials, we can't tell how useful this modification actually is...

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