Vehicle rules question

[Yog'sChosen232]

Hey guys so I have been having some trouble finding some specific rules. I'm playing in a homebrew pathfinder game, also I should mention this is my first pathfinder game, one of my party members is playing a human cavalier beast master archetype. He started off with a couple traits to give him more starting gp, essentially he's trying to be a traveling merchant for the mafia. Somehow he has 2 heavy wagons? Which seems...expensive. Also he is riding a giant snapping turtle which he uses to pull the wagon. My problem is that I think he should technically have like a team of animals for each wagon right?

[avr]

A snapping turtle as an animal companion can be size large from level 7 which could pull one heavy wagon in PF. Not two. Levels 1-6 it can't pull a wagon. If the GM has let him purchase a giant snapping turtle (5200 gp) then it's big enough to pull two heavy wagons (which are 100 gp each BTW) with a bit of re-rigging but that's a CR 9 creature and shouldn't be available to a level 1 character no matter how much gold is involved. Also it could swallow him whole if he annoys it enough.

Rules on vehicles here and description of a heavy wagon here. While the speed of a wagon is twice that of the animals pulling it, that's the equivalent of a double move. A puller with a base speed of 20' is still slow.

[yukongil]

is he using it to just pull the wagon or does he use it in combat?

if it's just pulling, that's fine*, just a reskinned heavy horse essentially. If they are actually using it in combat, there are problems with that as avr mentioned.

*while the CR 9 is way out of bounds, there are plenty of other beasts of burden that are far cheaper and essentially just as lethal to starting characters (Yaks have the same stats as a bison and are incredibly cheap and dangerous as an example)

[Yog'sChosen232]

Okay so having 2 wagons is a thing he could've done. I think the turtle is still medium sized, we had to go over that for a couple sessions haha. It sizes up at lvl 7. Basically we need some pack animals to be kosher by the rules, thank you!

[Yog'sChosen232]

yukongil wrote:

is he using it to just pull the wagon or does he use it in combat?

if it's just pulling, that's fine*, just a reskinned heavy horse essentially. If they are actually using it in combat, there are problems with that as avr mentioned.

*while the CR 9 is way out of bounds, there are plenty of other beasts of burden that are far cheaper and essentially just as lethal to starting characters (Yaks have the same stats as a bison and are incredibly cheap and dangerous as an example)

He uses it in combat, its not the CR 9 large size though, I believe he is using the med. Sized druid companion stat block that his archetype allows. Like I said it's my first pathfinder game, I know we are gonna mess up some rules im just trying to learn the game right.

[Name Violation]

yak is 24 gp.
the cavalier can train them for combat also
yak
Price 24 gp; Weight 1,000 lbs.
Category Mounts/Pets
Description
These shaggy-haired relatives to cows are more at home in mountainous terrain where they are frequently used as pack animals and to pull plows. Yaks have the same statistics as bison .

[yukongil]

Yog'sChosen232 wrote:

yukongil wrote:

is he using it to just pull the wagon or does he use it in combat?

if it's just pulling, that's fine*, just a reskinned heavy horse essentially. If they are actually using it in combat, there are problems with that as avr mentioned.

*while the CR 9 is way out of bounds, there are plenty of other beasts of burden that are far cheaper and essentially just as lethal to starting characters (Yaks have the same stats as a bison and are incredibly cheap and dangerous as an example)

He uses it in combat, its not the CR 9 large size though, I believe he is using the med. Sized druid companion stat block that his archetype allows. Like I said it's my first pathfinder game, I know we are gonna mess up some rules im just trying to learn the game right.

if the turtle is medium, it's not big enough to pull a heavy wagon (you need two medium creatures to pull a light wagon) though I think he could pull a cart, a heavy wagon needs 8 medium creatures, or 4 large creatures to pull.

you can probably get a DM to modify these with Ant Haul or similar spells or items, but without these, it'd be a no-go.