Is Diatha ammunition SFS Legal?


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The Additional Resources page says regarding Alien Archive 3 that

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Equipment: All equipment in this book with a listed item level and price is legal for play except for the EMP weapon fusion and flux fig.

and Diatha doesn't have its *own* item level or its *own* price. Instead it modifies the item level and price of other items. aonsrd.com seems to think it is not legal, but it seems ambiguous to me.

My search of the forums found the only reference to "Diatha" to be in SFS play-by-post games here on the boards, so obviously some players interpret it to be legal.

Diatha ammunition on aonsrd

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Ammo is considered equipment so you answered your own question. Because the ammo does not have an item level, it is not legal for play.

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But it does have an item level... It's item level is the item level of the exploding ammunition you buy +1.

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Take a look at other ammo.

From AON: wrote:

[SFS Legal] Arrows

Source Starfinder Core Rulebook pg. 179
Level 1; Price 50
Hands 1; Proficiency Ammo
Damage —; Critical —
Capacity 20
Bulk L; Special —
Description
Arrow shafts are made of carbon fiber–reinforced plastic and have metal or ceramic heads.

Arrows, the first item listed for ammo, has a level and price. They have been consistent on how they present equipment. It appears to be a conscience decision to not list a level and price for Diatha. The wording on what is legal is also deliberate. "All equipment in this book with a listed item level and price.."

So no, it is not legal. And if GMs are allowing it on PbP, they need to be contacted by the VC of online play and advised of the error.

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Diatha Ammunition wrote:
Such ammo is not only explosive ammunition (Starfinder Armory 55), but also has the ignite weapon special property, dealing 1d4 fire damage. This ammunition costs 100 credits more than its unaugmented counterpart. Amplified diatha ammunition adds 500 credits to the cost; its fiery property deals 2d4 fire damage. Diatha ammunition is 1 item level higher than normal explosive ammunition. It increases the item level of any other ammunition it augments by 1, up to item level 8.

That sure looks like it has a listed level to me. The only difference is that the authors/devs of this book tried to save space by not having an item/level/price chart like ones that appear elsewhere.

As such, this appears to be a gray-area issue best referred to the Additional Resources team and/or campaign leadership for clarification. Until then, you'll have GMs like Gary who will disallow it, and GMs like me who will allow it. The dreaded "expect table variation" strikes again.

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Is this not the place to ask questions of the Additional Resources team or campaign leadership? If not, where do I make such questions?

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Mike Bramnik wrote:

As such, this appears to be a gray-area issue best referred to the Additional Resources team and/or campaign leadership for clarification. Until then, you'll have GMs like Gary who will disallow it, and GMs like me who will allow it. The dreaded "expect table variation" strikes again.

I'd imagine its obscure enough that 99% of the time no ones going to look it up.

The item states its item level 4 times. I don't see how that could be a resource without an item level.

With regards to table variation, if something is a central concept to your character or an enormous purchase you'd want to avoid it. But between the good evidence that this is legal and how easy it is to just not use it for one adventure I'd just be prepared to go with the DMs ruling and not worry about it.

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What is tripping me up is that the entry for that item does not follow the standard weapon entry format like arrows. Then add in the language used in the addition resources it makes it clear to me that it is not legal.

But I am more of a RAW person than falling on the side of allowing everything because it is written and someone wants.

This is a good FAQ topic.

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I am big into RAW also but I don't think this is clear in the RAW.

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I would say it's allowed. It tells you how to figure out the level and price. If it had really been the intention not to allow this, they didn't need to be this obscure about it.

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OK, after doing some more research, I have changed my view and agree it is legal.

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Formatting is never a good basis for determining if an item has a 'listed item level and price'...

That would remove all Fusions from anywhere but the CRB... they have levels but rely on the standard Fusion rules for price...

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Stephen Meadows Jr wrote:

Formatting is never a good basis for determining if an item has a 'listed item level and price'...

That would remove all Fusions from anywhere but the CRB... they have levels but rely on the standard Fusion rules for price...

And there is specific rule about pricing for fusions on the CRB. I don't see a conflict.

As for my review and change in viewpoint, it had nothing to do with formatting. I do agree that formatting in poor for this item.

Regardless, it appears that a condenses and understanding (agreement?) has been reached.

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Add me to the pile of 'I agree it is ambiguous', and also am OK with it being used.

I think it's worth an errata/FAQ.

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the issue is the text of the sanctioning...

Quote:
All equipment in this book with a listed item level and price..

If we hold to the Level and Price being listed in the usual Price and Level format then you have issue with Fusions...

That was my point... We know how to find the price of Fusions...

The specific item in this thread also explains how to to determine Level and Price...

I agree that the wording of the sanctioning and/or using more standardized item write ups, could be better...

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