eldritch guardian, monk and possessed hand feats

[gleem]

Hi all,

Say my lvl3 human has 2 levels of fighter with archetype eldritch guardian and 1 level of monk. He has the three possessed hand feats up to detached hand's (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/hand-s-detachment/).

As my hand is now a familiar I apply the mauler familiar archetype.

When my hand detaches can it use the improved unarmed strike combat feat and stunning fist combat feat from the monk level?

Thanks, Gleem

[Quixote]

Doesn't look like it, no. The detached hand has the statistics of a crawling hand, and that's all.
On the plus side, you can still use your unarmed strikes without penalty while your hand is crawling around.

[gleem]

The 2nd level of eldrictch guardian provides share training:

Share Training (Ex)
At 2nd level, when the familiar can see and hear its master, it can use any combat feat possessed by the eldritch guardian. The familiar doesn’t have to meet the feat’s prerequisites, but at the GM’s discretion may be precluded from using certain combat feats due to its physical form. For example, an eldritch guardian’s pig familiar with access to Exotic Weapon Proficiency (spiked chain) would not gain the ability to use spiked chains, since it doesn’t have any limbs capable of properly handling them.

"but at the GM’s discretion may be precluded from using certain combat feats due to its physical form."

I guess its up to the GM.

[gleem]

Anyway it would be fun to be able to do unarmed strikes without an arm.

I'd day if it is able to do a claw attakc, it should also be able to do an attack with a fist.

[Derklord]

gleem wrote:

Anyway it would be fun to be able to do unarmed strikes without an arm.

Kicks and headbutts are viable unarmed strieks anyway. Indeed, you can basically use any body part for an unarmed strike.

gleem wrote:

When my hand detaches can it use the improved unarmed strike combat feat and stunning fist combat feat from the monk level?

Yes, but only the part allowed by the feat. Then respective class features grant the feats as bonus feats, and Share Training doesn't care where the feats come from.

The "may be precluded from using certain combat feats due to its physical form" part is really only about obvious stuff, and shouldn't hinder using Stunning Fist (and definitely not IUS).

[Scott Wilhelm]

Of course, everything is up to the GM, but nearly every creature in Pathfinder can make Unarmed Strikes. Stunning Fist is a Combat Feat, so the Familiar gets it, and it gets Improved Unarmed Strike, too. The hand does not get Monk Unarmed Strike Damage: that's a Class Ability, not a Feat.

Stunning Fist has to go with the Unarmed Strike. You can't combine SF with a Claw Attack. The Grab-Free-Action Attack goes with the Claw, but all the hand's Grapple Checks enjoy that +4. You can Full Attack with Claw and Unarmed Strike, but the Claw Attack would then suffer a -5 to the Attack Roll and only get 0.5 ST Mod. But if you are Unarmed Striking anyway, then you might as well use your Claw.