The basic plan is move action feint, standard action attack, right? This works at low levels but is insufficient at high levels even for a rogue. You aren't doing as much damage as a rogue even when it all comes together. Also it won't come together every time, feints have serious problems against a wide variety of enemies.
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The basic plan is move action feint, standard action attack, right? This works at low levels but is insufficient at high levels even for a rogue. You aren't doing as much damage as a rogue even when it all comes together. Also it won't come together every time, feints have serious problems against a wide variety of enemies.
See i've been thinking about that and i wonder how much more damage would i be doing with a simple full attack anyway? Assuming I'm not relying on haste shenanigans. I am however willing to accept greater feint might be the better option, but i am dead set on diva style as it gives that battle dancer vibe im going for.
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No Arcane Strike? That's a staple for my Dawnflower Dervish. It's particularly good as your 3rd lvl feat, because then you don't need a magic weapon for quite a while.
I always thought that Discordant Voice doesn't work with Battle Dance, but maybe I'm mistaken.
Your strategy would require spending the first round of combat casting Sense Vitals, so you're in melee one round later. You also wouldn't benefit from Diva Style when you start Battle Dance as a swift action later on.
Well - using haste isn't a shenanigan unless you're doing something weird (e.g. Cave druid flurrying a pseudopod) IMO. It's more like something you expect past a certain level. Bards can get haste out of a masterpiece, or their own spellcasting, or a personal haste effect off at least 3 bard-only spells. Less a shenanigan for them than a baseline expectation.
Diva style isn't the best for a bard as far as I can tell. It wants you to have a lot of feats (not a bard), and ideally feints want two weapon fighting so you can feint at the cost of one attack (not ideal for arcane spellcasting) and/or being a mesmerist for the feat which lets you feint odd enemies. A rogue, a vigilante, a fighter, a mesmerist, even a monk; bard is about 6th best.
i am dead set on diva style as it gives that battle dancer vibe im going for.
Ok, so you have a class feature called "Battle Dance", and a feat called "Dervish Dance", and yet you still need a crappy style feat to get a battle dancer vibe? Seriously?
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i am dead set on diva style as it gives that battle dancer vibe im going for.Ok, so you have a class feature called "Battle Dance", and a feat called "Dervish Dance", and yet you still need a crappy style feat to get a battle dancer vibe? Seriously?
Yes as a matter of fact i do, as i find that many bard builds make little use of the perform skill at all and is pretty much all mechanical fluff. Now unless you have any better suggestions, I'd advice you keep your condescending remarks to yourself.
So what is fixed about the character Malik? Diva style you've said is essential. Dervish dance, fine. Do you have to be a bard, or would a battle dancer brawler or a vexing daredevil mesmerist be acceptable?
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So what is fixed about the character Malik? Diva style you've said is essential. Dervish dance, fine. Do you have to be a bard, or would a battle dancer brawler or a vexing daredevil mesmerist be acceptable?
I've considered battle dancer but ultimately decided against it as no matter how much i wanna say otherwise the lack of spells would cause it to fall off the farther the game goes. Keep in mind this has less to do with the archtype and more the class in general.
And I'm not familiar enough with psychic magic to consider the mesmerist, i would be if it was compatible with fey trickster but it isn't so...nah
Anyway i made some slight modifications i decided to go with greater feint instead of vital strike, this will allow me to get my sneak attack damage from sense vitals off on a full attack. On top of that come the following level i can get dance of 100 cuts so i can still be sufficient in combat even if feinting isn't an option.
Plus i'm combining this with sound striker so i can still use weird words if worse come to worse
Trait:Threatening Defender
Spells:Sense Vitals
Dance of a Hundred Cuts
Dervish Dance
1.Combat Expertise
3.Diva Style
5.Improved Feint
7.Diva Strike
9.Greater Feint
11.Discordant Voice
13.Extra Performance