Quick Jump question

[Atalius]

If I want to jump 10ft up onto a tree branch or say say another surface like a wide ledge in a dungeon? Would it be a DC 30? Or?

[Captain Zoom]

Atalius wrote:

If I want to jump 10ft up onto a tree branch or say say another surface like a wide ledge in a dungeon? Would it be a DC 30? Or?

Unfortunately, you simply fail.

Without something to boost your high jump, best you can do is---

HIGH JUMP
You Stride, then make a vertical Leap and attempt a DC 30 Athletics check to increase the height of your jump. If you didn’t Stride at least 10 feet, you automatically fail your check. This DC might be increased or decreased due to the situation, as determined by the GM.

Critical Success Increase the maximum vertical distance to 8 feet, or increase the maximum vertical distance to 5 feet and maximum horizontal distance to 10 feet.

So, DC 30 Athletics check (plus you need to stride) (plus you need a critical success) to leap up vertically 8 feet.

NOW, if you want to do a vertical jump and grab the tree branch 10' in the air, then lever yourself up, I'd be inclined to say you could do it with a simple DC30 success as that gets you 5' up, then you use your 5' reach to grab the branch. if you have Rapid Mantel, I'd be further inclined to let you pull yourself up immediately.

[Captain Zoom]

And a followup:

The Powerful Leap feat does not fix this. It simply changes your Leap from 3' to 5' vertical. It does not affect High Jumps!

The Monk Class feat Dancing Leap does affect High Jumps, and would allow you to reach 10' on a DC30 High Jump check with a straight success.

[HumbleGamer]

You need something like powerful leap + staff acrobat dedication in order to land on your feet.

Powerful Leap 3>5
Staff Acrobat Dedication 5>10

You might also consider using grab an edge ( DM permission ) to get some extra feet ( 2/3 more feet I'd say, depends your character ).

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If you want to jump instead, you might use the quick jump feat in order to halve the required actions. But even on a Critical success the distance will be 8 feet.

It is not written this way, but given the powerful leap feat it might affect the high jump feat, since the failure shouldn't be intended to be equal to a success.

Normal High Jump

Failure = 3
Success = 5
Critical Success = 8

High Jump with Powerful Leap

Failure = 5
Success = 5
Critical Success = 8

I will give you 8 on a success and 10 on a critical one, because it wouldn't make any sense otherwise ( and it doesn't state anywhere to tread a failure as a success, so it has to probably be this way ).

[Captain Zoom]

HumbleGamer wrote:

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High Jump with Powerful Leap

Failure = 5
Success = 5
Critical Success = 8

I disagree completely, as stated in the Powerful Leap feat, it ONLY affects Leaps. It says nothing about affecting High Jumps.

"When you Leap, you can jump 5 feet up with a vertical Leap, and you increase the distance you can jump horizontally by 5 feet."

Note that "Leap" is capitalized. It is specifically referring to the LEAP action, which is separate and different from the HIGH JUMP action.

BTW, I DO AGREE that Powerful Leap plus Staff Acrobat dedication works. Let's you leap straight up 10' without even needing to roll a check!

[HumbleGamer]

The way You say invalidare the DC 30 at early levels, which makes absolutely no sense.

Taking a skill feat and forgo a DC 30 check? Be my guest.

Not to say that the failure outcome as the success on is exactly stated in every skill it has this feature.

Talking about high jump + powerful leap is probably an oversight. Simply because this system doesn't allow you to forgo a DC 30 check for free. Especially when you need a natural 20 on early levels.

[Megistone]

If the height difference between the target and the actual jump is not large, I would let the character try to grab an edge and then climb up. Prince of Persia style!

[Ubertron_X]

Captain Zoom wrote:

I disagree completely, as stated in the Powerful Leap feat, it ONLY affects Leaps. It says nothing about affecting High Jumps.

"When you Leap, you can jump 5 feet up with a vertical Leap, and you increase the distance you can jump horizontally by 5 feet."

Note that "Leap" is capitalized. It is specifically referring to the LEAP action, which is separate and different from the HIGH JUMP action.

How so? A Leap is a part of a High Jump, so anything that effects your Leap also effects your High Jump.

Quote:

HIGH JUMP (two-actions) You Stride, then make a vertical Leap and attempt a DC 30 Athletics check to increase the height of your jump...