So in our current game, I’ve just leveled up to a Level 7 Sorcerer. From our latest victory loot we picked up a couple of wands, Ray of Enfeeblement and Vampiric Touch. So for my Level 7 new spell, I want to pick up Spectral Hand and Force Punch. My wonder is, Can Spectral Hand deliver touch spells with a wand, and can it deliver a Force Punch, or other combat maneuvers?
LavaRox wrote: So in our current game, I’ve just leveled up to a Level 7 Sorcerer. From our latest victory loot we picked up a couple of wands, Ray of Enfeeblement and Vampiric Touch. So for my Level 7 new spell, I want to pick up Spectral Hand and Force Punch. My wonder is, Can Spectral Hand deliver touch spells with a wand, and can it deliver a Force Punch, or other combat maneuvers? Sorry, what is Force Punch? Can't find it on AoN and don't recall ever seeing it before.
mrspaghetti wrote: LavaRox wrote: So in our current game, I’ve just leveled up to a Level 7 Sorcerer. From our latest victory loot we picked up a couple of wands, Ray of Enfeeblement and Vampiric Touch. So for my Level 7 new spell, I want to pick up Spectral Hand and Force Punch. My wonder is, Can Spectral Hand deliver touch spells with a wand, and can it deliver a Force Punch, or other combat maneuvers? Sorry, what is Force Punch? Can't find it on AoN and don't recall ever seeing it before.
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This spell charges your hand with telekinetic force. Your successful melee touch attack deals 1d4 points of force damage per level (maximum 10d4) and causes the target to be pushed away from you in a straight line up to 5 feet per two caster levels. For every size category of the target above Medium, reduce the distance pushed by 5 feet (–5 feet for Large, –10 feet for Huge, –15 for Gargantuan, and –20 feet for Colossal) to a minimum of 0 feet. A successful Fortitude save negates the movement but not the damage.
https://aonprd.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Force%20Punch
And here is the AoN version.
Perhaps Force Punch is 1st Ed. only. So let’s scrap that from the question. The rest still applies to my curiosity about wands and touch spells.
LavaRox wrote: Perhaps Force Punch is 1st Ed. only. So let’s scrap that from the question. The rest still applies to my curiosity about wands and touch spells. As I read it, casting from a wand is the same as casting from a spell slot. So Spectral Hand should work exactly as it would when casting a touch spell from a slot.
The Spectral Hand writeup only says spells though, so I'd say no on combat maneuvers.
But if imbued into a wand, the wand would have to do the touching, which means the Spectral Hand would have to wield the wand to make the touch, am I right?
Spectral hand should work fine with melee touch spells from a wand - the wording is quite vague enough to work with those. If the spell has a combat maneuver as part of its effect it'll deliver that, but you're unlikely to be able to use normal combat manuevers with it. Maaaaybe dirty trick if it's loaded with some spell and you can make a case to the GM.
Once cast a touch spell is attached to your hand (or your spectral hand) not any wand, even if the spell was cast from the wand.
What about for retrieving dropped items? Or does the wording, according to opinion, only apply to touch spells?
The wording is pretty clear about applying only to touch spells. Picking up dropped items isn't something it can do.
avr wrote: The wording is pretty clear about applying only to touch spells. Picking up dropped items isn't something it can do. Agreed
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LavaRox wrote: Perhaps Force Punch is 1st Ed. only. So let’s scrap that from the question. The rest still applies to my curiosity about wands and touch spells. Are we discussing 1st or 2nd edition here?
If this is a 2nd edition scenario, this thread is in the wrong forum.
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