can Solarian Extra Manifestation give two weapons / flares?

[VeratiaGames]

question is on the tin. i dont see any wording that says you have to choose a DIFFERENT manifestation than the one already have, but I cant find any clarification on whether or not it should be the case.

[Garretmander]

I think the first question would be: why would you double up? What purpose is there?

[VeratiaGames]

Garretmander wrote:

I think the first question would be: why would you double up? What purpose is there?

Same reason you do anything in a roleplaying game? say you want to play a dual wielding jedi style melee fighter, or you want to take advantage of the multi-weapon fighting feat for the flares. maybe you have 2 good weapon crystals that work well together, or you find a weapon fusion combination that looks good but you cant put them all on a single weapon due to level restrictions, or maybe you just think it would be cool. asking "what purpose is there" when your talking about a game? might as well ask why we are playing a game in the first place.

[Garretmander]

VeratiaGames wrote:

Garretmander wrote:

I think the first question would be: why would you double up? What purpose is there?

Same reason you do anything in a roleplaying game? say you want to play a dual wielding jedi style melee fighter, or you want to take advantage of the multi-weapon fighting feat for the flares. maybe you have 2 good weapon crystals that work well together, or you find a weapon fusion combination that looks good but you cant put them all on a single weapon due to level restrictions, or maybe you just think it would be cool. asking "what purpose is there" when your talking about a game? might as well ask why we are playing a game in the first place.

Okay then.

So, like you said I'm also not seeing anything preventing it. So, yes you can. Keep in mind that you can't summon the second manifestation until you are fully attuned (likely round 3 of combat).

If you're aiming for the appearance of two blades and not the mechanical benefit, I would simply flavor the appearance of the blades/flares as if they were two weapons. Especially since the mechanical benefits seem pretty lackluster. Multiple crystals cost a lot of money, and you can't even have both out until you're fully attuned.

[Xenocrat]

Yeah, the only practical mechanical benefit is multi-weapon fighting with two solar flares, and you can't do that until round 4 and after burning a move action to draw your second one in round 3. Seems pretty bad, the only reason for a GM not to allow it would be to protect the player from himself.

[Claxon]

Yeah, even if you could, the support for fighting with two small arm type weapons (if you can even count them as that for all purposes) is so limited that it's not worth it.

The fact that you can only even have them both out while fully attuned and the limited benefits that I can think of (+1 to attack if using two weapons) is balanced by the fact that you either need to buy two solar crystals or one weapon would be down on damage. The +1 to hit isn't worth the damage penalty you'd cause yourself.

Overall, it's a net loss.

I'm not sure if it's allowed or not, but if a player asked for it I wouldn't stop them...except to explain it's a bad idea.

In character I would let them flavor their solar weapon as two pistols if that's what they're going for, with no change in function/mechanics.

[Metaphysician]

Likewise. Given the really marginal effect, I'd just allow a player to define their Solar Weapon or whatnot as "Twin Swords". Well, actually, what I'd probably do is say "You can define your Full Attack style as 'I summon a second weapon and go hog wild'".

[Claxon]

Yeah, I flavor the solar flare for my solarion as a trio of energy blades that turn around my wrist when not in use, but when firing they power up briefly, extending in length and then going from windmill blade position into firing position by coming together to form a cone which fires the energy blast. And I flavor plasma sheath revelation on it as switching between hot and cool modes.

No reason you couldn't flavor it as two pistol when making full attacks.

[Metaphysician]

You know, thinking about it, something I'd probably recommend to a player is that, for each of your Solarian revelations? Come up with some descriptive flavor and imagery that ties it to your particular manifestation.