Non-existent skill Disable Device for the feat Profession Mastery, so intented skill is?


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So in Character Operations Manual on page 25 i saw the name for a skill i very well know from my Pathfinder First Edition games.

Profession Mastery has a very long list because for all different professions.
Under Intelligence-Based Profession Skills: you can find electrician(Disable Device, Engineering)

I am sure we can all agree, that each group can create a houserule in that case.
And yes that feat is not legal for Starfinder Society.

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I think the relevant bit is this:

"You can use the chosen Profession skill to attempt skill tasks associated with ... your chosen Profession."

So here, it's saying you can use Disable Device task of the Engineering skill. Much like "Gather Information" is a thing you can do with Diplomacy, but not in and of itself a skill.


But you can already use Engineering skill for Disabling something mundan.

So you don't get any benefit from taking that feat twice, which is true for all the other professions.

Sczarni

The other Professions list two skills. Electrician lists one skill and one skill task.

I think it's a typo.

Looking at the myriad pairings of skills, Computers+Engineering is suspiciously absent.

I think replacing "Disable Device" with Computers makes the most sense.

Sczarni

Speculating here, but I imagine it's not legal for Society because it's a bonkers good feat, not because of the typo.

Choose a race with a bonus to Profession (like a Lashunta or Working Relations Gnome), expend two feats (several races can do this at Level 1 as well), find an Insight bonus from somewhere, spend 20cr for a blanket +4 to Profession checks and you've covered three skills with 1/3 the skill ranks.

Unless you're a feat starved class or have a feat heavy build, that sounds like an amazing trade-off to me. Just having the +4 from a toolkit is worth it, since nothing so cheap exists for most skill tasks.


The toolkit alone makes it a +4 compared to skill focuses +3

... thats stackable with your class bonuses, unlike skill focus.

Sczarni

Indeed ^_^

An AbadarCorp Mystic with the Expanded Skill Channeling Epiphany that grants Profession (manager) as one of their skills could be hilarious.


Nefreet wrote:

The other Professions list two skills. Electrician lists one skill and one skill task.

I think it's a typo.

Looking at the myriad pairings of skills, Computers+Engineering is suspiciously absent.

I think replacing "Disable Device" with Computers makes the most sense.

I agree and reading this thread again i made not clear that there is always two different skills you can replace with your Profession skill.

But still it looks suspiciously like a legacy copy and paste typo, because the base for Starfinder is Pathfinder First Edition.

Sczarni

Agreed. And it wouldn't be the first time. In one of the books released shortly after the CRB, the term "Sneak Attack" is referenced. One of the Designers eventually clarified it was supposed to be "Trick Attack".

For PFS2 I see "Bluff" come up occasionally instead of "Deception", and "Culture" instead of "Society". Although they're annoying little mistakes, they're understandable, and as long as you don't take a black and white, binary view of reading the text we can just chuckle and move on.


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Edit: I deleteted my first post which was only this:

Oh i chuckled when i read that first, but it sure slows you down and opens that can of worms for a group discussion how to handle this.

And to not doppelpost i merged my two posts.

Nefreet wrote:

Speculating here, but I imagine it's not legal for Society because it's a bonkers good feat, not because of the typo.

Choose a race with a bonus to Profession (like a Lashunta or Working Relations Gnome), expend two feats (several races can do this at Level 1 as well), find an Insight bonus from somewhere, spend 20cr for a blanket +4 to Profession checks and you've covered three skills with 1/3 the skill ranks.

You need to pick Shirren or get an option to pick the cultural fascination racial trait! I am not aware of anything that let's you pick the cultural fascination racial trait if you are not Shirren.

It sure sounds like a race specific feat only open for Shirren, so far.

Sczarni

Tigerkralle wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
Choose a race with a bonus to Profession (like a Lashunta or Working Relations Gnome)
You need to pick Shirren or get an option to pick the cultural fascination racial trait!

Oh, whoops! Indeed. That's what I get for jumping to theorycrafting in the middle of a rules discussion.

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Errata updated!

(TL;DR: Change “Disable Device, Engineering” to “Engineering, Physical Science.”)

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